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well everybody once again and welcome to

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another edition of inside outer limits

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I'm here as usual my co-host Philip

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mantel how are you doing Phil

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I'm hunky-dory Chris hunky-dory that was

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there one that David Bowie single or a

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song that's the David Bowie album and am

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i right that's right yes yes yeah you

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sure your age there they'll make I'm

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told me all about that one I'm not

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starting anything from that you know

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well today we've actually got a young

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man who's ex-raf and I think ex BAE

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Systems I think is that great Jason

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Jason Gleaves

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yep good evening gentlemen good evening

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to you Ben yeah damn is how you accept

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British Aerospace then yeah I worked the

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Broughton on the Airbus building the

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Airbus passenger aircraft so I'm not

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there anymore now yeah yeah jobs there a

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good while brilliant so how long have

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you been interested in the subject then

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there Jason the subject of you with us

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as long as I can remember going back way

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into my childhood really and then bit

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like most people in this field where you

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you look at likes of are to see Clark

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and people like that with all of you

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know its program the mysterious world

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and and then obviously UFO magazines and

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non explain magazines did um did you

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have Ravan eek and of course encounter

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experienced yourself yeah about a couple

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ovum throughout my career military

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career as well but the first one was in

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about the nineteen seventies mid

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nineteen seventies in Liverpool quite

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near to entry race course we have the

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famous Grand National yeah I knelt with

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my sister and I was 87 at the time

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we both saw we were playing upstairs

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man's house and we both saw us

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disk outside the window illuminated and

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then it seemed to take off at high

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velocity and then we just carried on

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playing like it never even happened

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that's very intrusive a day like this

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goes it an evening off yeah in the

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daylight yeah and I'd actually forgotten

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about it it was only later getting into

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the UF ology side from the sister said

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to me do you remember when we saw that

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disc outside the window and I was like

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no and then it came back and yeah as we

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spoke about it and gone further into it

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and yeah yeah so it was a bit amazing

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really yes so this was the clincher then

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really I suppose that sparked that

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interest once you actually realized this

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had happened was that the the clincial I

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brought you into the field no I wouldn't

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have said that I probably like like I

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said before most people in Europe ology

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of our interest in science fiction so ye

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you're looking at like the Star Wars

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Star Trek anything space I'd be there

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watching it or in the pictures and and

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then it's off led on to the magazines

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obviously we're you know done far to see

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Clark where his mysterious world like we

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said because that but his those sort of

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programs just got you hooked dude

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literally they got you you want more and

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more and more yeah absolutely I can

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agree with that I mean I mean I can I

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can understand what Jason saying they're

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crisp because look from my point of view

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you know our Burrell always interested

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in things paranormal but I also had an

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interest in science fiction books you

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know used to read the books and and what

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magazines we could get our hands on I

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think the first sort of regular magazine

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that I did was the unexplained series

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yeah you know the part works I read that

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avidly I couldn't you know I put him

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copy down and then I waited for the next

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one you know and as you said you know

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the documentaries on the TV what a

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so when they came along like after C

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class mysterious world if you didn't

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watch it

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he couldn't sort through well I've gone

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watch it later because it gone yes does

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your TV recorders backing them - what's

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the film so I understand where Jason's

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coming from you know it sort of

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parallels myself you know in a lot of

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ways yes but I suppose it does myself as

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well really because as you say you know

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if you didn't watch live TV when it was

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broadcast back in the 70s you know yeah

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I think video recorders didn't really

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come out to the late 70s you know but

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well in the UK anyway you know so yeah

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if you didn't watch it you missed it and

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he was left wondering and because that

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was it you want to got to see it once

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unless that particular series was quite

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popular and then it was repeated maybe a

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number of months down the line so Jason

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what was it that took you into the RAF

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just when I left school I went on to be

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a draftsman that shell stand local oil

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refinery and I always wanted to be a

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carpenter and a draftsman so I went into

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the drafting and didn't really like it

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so then I just went into the Air Force

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joined the Air Force was a carpenter no

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that's that's may seem straight what was

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the using happened to us find the RAF

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the old thing is used to build a mouth

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it's the oldest trade in the Air Force -

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believe it or not

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right I was actually part of the last 8

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carpenters ever to be trained by the Air

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[Laughter]

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that was our ESA afternoon South Wales

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of yeah and I was trained and went into

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then they actually finished the

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carpentry trade in the Air Force and it

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disbanded the trade and brought

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civilians in with the cost cutting

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things they brought in yeah

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so then I removed it to aircraft

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finisher so no aircraft finisher that's

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puzzled me as well it's it's a painter

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painting bribry okay specialist apollyon

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at the end basically is that what you

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say down and things like that are you

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are you married Justin I am i no excuse

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if wife asked you to burn the bathroom

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of you know during your time in the RAF

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um I know user area Valley in Connick

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Meryem brides not and Cosford and

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Sealand which was your favorite posting

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and a few were really our detachments as

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well in with those two Greenham common

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and places like that which at the time

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was when they had a lot the protesters

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at the fences of the the women

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protesting yeah sit CMD and things like

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that now this is when all the protesters

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thought that the bombs were at Green and

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common but in fact that wasn't this

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somewhere else called Woodbridge or

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Bentwaters I believe if that's correct

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sort of a decoy yeah yeah and and all

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the places that are well and truly gone

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now you know yeah the Air Force closed

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or you know a long time since so you was

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also involved with the air the Battle of

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Britain Memorial Flight as well I

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believe with the Lancaster bomber the

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oricon and Spitfire yeah yeah yeah that

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was a calling speak RF callings be a

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link yeah nice did you get to sit in

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them then and I've olive ground them

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yeah I'm really really jealous now

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that's a interview over

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no but one of the a flow is that uh I'm

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while I'm 58 now but back in the

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mid-1970s and it was my intention to

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actually join the RAF and unfortunately

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I got type 1 diabetes so that kind of

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shot me in the foot I couldn't join so

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you know so I'm really really jealous

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not to know that you've been in setting

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a Spitfire that is it a Mac now that

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they've got down there for I remember

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correctly we had a couple and they've

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also got a few the Hurricanes yeah and

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there's a jet probe jet Provost I think

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the jet stream sorry yeah I'm the

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Lancaster and then the Dakota came in

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later yeah North Dakota was the American

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DC 130c now yeah I think something like

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that that was the all-purpose multi we

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carry anything kind of thing yes it

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really yeah really true everything yeah

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absolutely

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and of course a lot of the em back in

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the early days after the Second World

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War ended the a lot of them we use the

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same airliners as well so you know when

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the first air land as companies were

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were being formed as well and a lot of

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them were involved in the Berlin fooled

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lift as well back in the back in the

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late nineteen forties there when the

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Russians located Berlin yeah absolutely

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absolutely so what about the end in your

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book you your will flow to a book well I

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know you how long has this been

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published now guys can you give me some

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kind of room I mean not that long ago

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earlier this year Chris wasn't listening

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not where I have a small one-man

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publishing outfit called flying distress

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and Jess and I'll tell you how he got

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into this in in a minute

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but Jason's first book is simply called

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its main type of his UFO for tours and

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that's all it deals with Jason as part

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of his research computer analyzes UFO

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photographs

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you know and it's an area of study

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that's always interested me but as far

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as I could tell there was never a book

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about just a buck that just deals with

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UFOs photographs so that's what JC's

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book is it's photographs taken from

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around the world down the decade

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soon you'll be aware of mods probably

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not and and JSON us as computer analyzed

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them and given ease is this feedback but

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at the beginning of the book again Jason

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will tell you how he does this he goes

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through the process of how he does it

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give you some of the most obvious

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objects that tear up on pictures I think

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Birds is probably the one of the most

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obvious today Jason yeah yeah and I can

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oh I don't have to say it's a

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best-seller but you know it is a

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fascinating book that you can have at

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hand and you know it's open to everyone

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you know what no matter how much you're

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involved in the subject you know you can

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look at this book because if you are a

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UFO researcher there will become a time

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no doubt when you are presented with a

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piece of film or a photograph and

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somebody will say I took this what do

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you think it is and you'll sit there and

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scratch your head and think it might be

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this it might be that well you know

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Jason's you man to have a look at it so

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tell us a bit more how you you tell it

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to get into the sort of photographic

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analysis I love things Jason you know

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mwah yeah sure was this after you left

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the RAF yeah it was way after and it was

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really it started people way after I

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actually started the work that pages the

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the Facebook pages and things like that

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no you F only really I wanted to find

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out answers myself really being curious

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and like we explained before going way

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back into the childhood things that

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happened to me my father man in black

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incident with a figure came in

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to his house and things like that so

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really I wanted answers it's bit like

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the Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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the films filled Steven Spielberg film

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where Richard Dreyfuss the character in

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the film and he gets the syndrome where

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he needs to find out answers and things

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like that I wouldn't say I was bad as

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that book I wanted to know I certainly

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wanted to know so I started the the page

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over and I was writing on all the page

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you have met Pam I think I contribute

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probably a couple of hundred different

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pages on Facebook and people from all

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around the world started giving me

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images to analyze and footage plus

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things I've been looking at myself

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it sort of stemmed from there where you

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know how I get into it in that respect

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of looking into it because I was

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interested in the self people contacted

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me with experiences that had encounters

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etc and going down that line yes so I

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get photographs but when I get a

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photograph off somebody the first thing

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I really try to ask for is the original

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photograph yeah well what that's let's

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just stay there let's let's say you and

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I don't know each other right Jason here

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as a photograph I took it on this day to

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this location to suit us through the

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process what you know that you'd start

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within that and how we'd end up with a

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conclusion if you could please yeah well

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I try to look a little bit into the

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person contacting me for obvious reasons

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because you don't know that person you'd

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like to you know a little bit of a

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background to them that you know what

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profession maybe not not too personal

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but enough just to carry the interview

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your honor such obviously they've

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contacted me with some sort of image or

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footage but they don't know what they've

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seen

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then I would ask them for the original

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after obviously viewing the image they'd

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sent me whatever format that came in I

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would ask for the original because when

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I analyzed photographs that's the best

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image you're gonna have to work with

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sometimes when images have been posted

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on as an example to somebody else and

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it's gone in another direction through

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an email you get in third fourth fifth

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generation photographs and each time the

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actual detail and need the pixelation in

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the photographs will degrade so that's

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why it's so important to get the

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original source voltage because that's

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the best you're gonna get I was just

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going to ask you err Jason yeah I was

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just going to mention what you said

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there really it's the same when you

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you're doing in the old days we used to

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have cassettes and used to copy from one

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cassette to another cassette music

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because that's yeah like the quality of

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that would be teary rate as you know you

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did a swap to this drill into that rail

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etc etc so exactly the same with them

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with digital photography then yeah

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that's very interesting process you've

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got the foot you've got the original

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photograph where do we go from there

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yeah well I've got this source

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photograph like we said I would

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obviously try to upscale up photographs

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so using software I have them I'll I'll

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upgrade it to 1080p HD or something like

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that when it obviously keeps the same

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pixels within that photograph but you it

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enlarges it because if you've got the

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original photograph then you just zoom

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in without upscaling first all you're

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doing is zooming into if an example as

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you've zoomed in closer you'll just see

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a lot of pixelation you know they're the

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the squares and these in the photograph

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itself not so much on older pre digital

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photographs because 35 mil is slightly

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different and in that respect but

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with the digital photographs especially

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enough to obviously upscale in what I

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can't that's the best you can work with

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and then you you really that we you go

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deeper than you enlarge it from there

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you enhance it from there you again news

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and software and if this software is

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there for anyone to use it's not magic

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it's not you know anybody can do this

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and you know I I say to people you know

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get out there and do it yourself

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research and get in and look at

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photographs and often enough when you've

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done this process you've gone through

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the year this you know set out process

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that I would do that's when you would

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start to see whether the pictures of

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birds like we said before you know what

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you're a big misidentification of craft

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because obviously when a bird flies the

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wings are back it's in a sleek you know

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silhouette that gives it the impression

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of a disc side on often dark as well so

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you know a detail it's moving quite fast

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for the eye and I'll see you what you

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look into where the person is living or

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where the photograph was taken and again

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you look in for military civilian

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airports anything else that could you

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know that the actual object could be

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looking for look the hints and tips as

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well as a possibility I mean yeah like

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you said when you speak to an individual

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you know this is important to speak to

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them and get all the details and lift

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the photograph is just part of the

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holding the whole episode yeah and I

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would hazard a guess Jason that the same

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with UFO reports that don't have

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photographs that most of what you get

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can probably have a rational explanation

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at the end of the day they yeah most

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again you've probably seen it more than

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being around a lot longer in the field

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fill a book yes thank you for that but

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it hasn't changed really over the time

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it's the only thing it's really changes

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the cameras have got better more people

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of accessible to cameras because they're

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on phones which everybody has what I

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seem to listen because you know that the

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out limits conference what yeah

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gentleman there come on Ross Callahan

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yeah was used to work for UFO magazine

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he was the son-in-law of the late Graham

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birdsong and Russell's done a lot of

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work with photography and photographs of

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alleged UFOs then and Russell is of the

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opinion that the better the cameras have

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got and and their their greater their

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availability the worse the resort self

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because we still go back to fall to rush

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like McMinnville in the 1950s taken by

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portrait and so on and he's rather I'm

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so skeptical but rather a bit nonplussed

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as to why we've got better cameras and

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more of them today yet the resource of

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the latest u.s. photographs still turn

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out to be pretty poor would you agree

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with Russell or not yes and no yes and

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no agree that the cameras they are

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vastly better I mean the camera on my

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new phone is 4k which is huge in an

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actual detail it just means when you

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actually want to be in my for instance

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if I want to analyze a photograph taken

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with that camera it's gonna come out in

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more detail and pair frame and things

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like that when the older cameras or the

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webcams that catch a lot of things

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they're taken so many frames per second

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so you'll only get the object in frame

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four

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maybe two two frames out of about ten

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twelve eggs you know more than that with

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the it reduce and I wouldn't say they

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reduce him because of the amount of

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images I still receive from people

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around the world so especially from ESET

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e at the the rancher Mount Adams you

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know with james gilliland and everything

451
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up there I met James many years ago yeah

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yeah and I'm getting images constantly

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from there so I'd have to disagree on

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that fact just more the fact of that I I

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am receiving a lot photographs but what

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about the argument then Jason let me

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play devil's advocate for a while here

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today you know we've all got not all of

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us but most people have got you know

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some kind of home computer be a laptop

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or a tablet or on a desktop and as

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you've said you can download or purchase

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a whole range of software there are

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those that will say that because of this

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you can manufacture fake photographs

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using this software that cannot be

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proven to be a hoax would you agree with

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that or not yeah dad yeah what to the

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fact you know the apps you can get on

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iPhones for example now where you can

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insert a UFO in a photograph that's

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right I've seen that yes yeah them too

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yes you know and you're looking you

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think wow that's really good but so is

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that it's that we're now it's even more

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important to look at the person and the

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background on where it was allegedly

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taken yeah time and so on yeah does that

479
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information become more critical than

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the actual photograph itself yeah

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definitely the bit the bigger case

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really comes into play there because

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it really need to know if someone's

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trying to make money out of it or I mean

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right as endless arguments with people

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who put photographs up there are birds

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and ah yeah what'd you say to him that

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was the Lagon to the blue in the face

489
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but I said well you're at the seaside I

490
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want to tell you one story this is legal

491
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excuse me but in pre-digital ages yeah I

492
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used to be beautiful as directed

493
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investigations and I got a still

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photograph sent from a gentleman I don't

495
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live too far away from what I did and it

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was they yeah what he'd done it was a

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still from a video film so what he done

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it it frozen the video on the TV and

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taken a photograph of it

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Manny says this is an alien then it's a

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Tekken at such-and-such a location it's

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daylight and sure enough there's a

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creature you know you can see the whole

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lot it wasn't that bad and I found you

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know I knew the location but he perhaps

506
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took the photograph too good because you

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could actually see that it was a man

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wearing a mask to see the elastic band

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going around the side of his head

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pulling his herring and he'd like these

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things stuck on the end of his fingers

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he looked a bit like Nosferatu from the

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old yeah a little bit so what do I do

514
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with this I got his address a try

515
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directory inquiries there was no

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telephone number listed its before the

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days of email I thought about actually

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driving over and knocking on his door I

519
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thought no you never know what he might

520
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be like so remember this I was packing

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Florida then so I had Beaufort ahead of

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notepaper and I wrote this lovely letter

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to him saying

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dimmest whatever this is fantastic this

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is the evidence we've all been waiting

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for

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I'm gonna Weller NASA the CIA the

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message offend everybody you know and I

529
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said I've got to see this video because

530
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he claimed he'd shot a video of it and

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this was just a still so I posted the

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letter recorded deliver

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and long behold later that week he wrote

534
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back this is a demon ah I'm sorry but

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now of course when you look at em a

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picture of the TV screen which of course

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is the light source as well and if you'd

538
00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:22,860
have blown it in Flour enough there but

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they'll fill what you could have seen is

540
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a TV screen is made up of lines we've

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got grass over used to be in the old

542
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:31,650
days I don't know so much nowadays but

543
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:34,050
yet the made up of lines I remember

544
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,230
looking at the old TV back in the 1960s

545
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:39,840
well when it was made up of 425 lands

546
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:41,910
and you could actually see the lines on

547
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:44,040
your screen then of course they moved up

548
00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:47,250
to 625 lines which made it a little bit

549
00:27:51,050 --> 00:27:49,590
more difficult to see but I mean back in

550
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:51,060
the days where you know when you was

551
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:52,890
doing that review for I would imagine it

552
00:28:03,200 --> 00:27:54,990
would have been a an LED or anything

553
00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:03,210
like that well but you know the thing

554
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,830
that Jason was saying it was about the

555
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:06,960
gentleman you know tell me no choice

556
00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:11,250
although I knew there was a location

557
00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:13,590
where it where that he mentioned was a

558
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:15,540
real place I couldn't tell if it being

559
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:17,700
taken there just it's just some woodland

560
00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:20,580
not far from where we live and I thought

561
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:22,350
how do you you know how do you play this

562
00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:23,370
what do I do

563
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:25,560
you know I'm not gonna waste time how

564
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:27,960
many oh I could see it's a fake you know

565
00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:31,080
yeah yeah it was just but but what I'm

566
00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:33,660
saying is the background story we have

567
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:36,750
more important the actual photograph and

568
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:39,690
you know we didn't have access to

569
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:41,970
computers I mean that didn't exist as

570
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:44,570
far as home computers were concerned

571
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:47,970
well nothing as they'll expect from 40

572
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:49,890
for a whatever the card at least and

573
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:51,030
they would have been able to do

574
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:54,690
something like that what I would say

575
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,080
Jason I mean out of all the photographs

576
00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:00,960
you've looked at or pieces of video

577
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:04,950
films is that anyone or any group of

578
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,740
photographs or film that really stand

579
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:10,740
out to you has been you know a shining

580
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:13,290
example of what is the real thing is not

581
00:29:18,249 --> 00:29:14,450
a fake

582
00:29:21,129 --> 00:29:18,259
yeah you think of something this this

583
00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:21,139
quite a few add actually in the new book

584
00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:22,820
that there's some in there that I've

585
00:29:26,739 --> 00:29:25,100
really need I didn't put them in

586
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:26,749
originally and I've added them later

587
00:29:31,389 --> 00:29:29,029
because I really did think and I just

588
00:29:33,399 --> 00:29:31,399
think yeah just going to let people know

589
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:33,409
that Jason will have a new book out the

590
00:29:37,419 --> 00:29:35,330
flying dish press next year so that's

591
00:29:46,749 --> 00:29:37,429
that's what he's referring to I'm sorry

592
00:29:50,259 --> 00:29:46,759
yes all actually a case in there where

593
00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:50,269
it's really it led on really from where

594
00:29:59,859 --> 00:29:53,590
I get photographs of people that are

595
00:30:01,119 --> 00:29:59,869
misidentifying maybe UFOs of the disc

596
00:30:03,639 --> 00:30:01,129
shaped clouds

597
00:30:05,169 --> 00:30:03,649
you know the lenticular clouds like the

598
00:30:08,999 --> 00:30:05,179
thing

599
00:30:12,669 --> 00:30:09,009
but this case was actually taken by

600
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,679
military personnel a copter I haven't

601
00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:14,480
got the actual dates on me at the minute

602
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:19,580
but and it's a very safe table jecht

603
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:22,820
that was appeared over an army base in

604
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:29,690
in the US it may be in the 1950s and the

605
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:33,289
guy in question took about six

606
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:37,190
photographs and this disc shaped object

607
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:40,850
came over the base got larger and larger

608
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:43,850
I'm vandalized it and overlaid

609
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,100
photographs and from all in sequence so

610
00:30:53,349 --> 00:30:48,799
you can see and it actually morphs into

611
00:30:56,739 --> 00:30:53,359
a cloud and when you look at it you can

612
00:30:58,779 --> 00:30:56,749
see each frame as it's coming along the

613
00:31:01,840 --> 00:30:58,789
six separate photographs of actually

614
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:01,850
match them all up and overlaid and it's

615
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:05,320
a perfect round circular shaped cloud

616
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:10,609
and that goes back really to people who

617
00:31:18,899 --> 00:31:13,850
were contacting me worldwide who are

618
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:18,909
seeing crafts that are within clouds or

619
00:31:24,729 --> 00:31:21,820
manifest themselves within a cloud or

620
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:24,739
producing clouds and mist surround them

621
00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:28,250
so it goes back really as well towards

622
00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:30,590
camouflage in things like that that they

623
00:31:34,899 --> 00:31:32,750
they can blend themselves into the

624
00:31:37,539 --> 00:31:34,909
surroundings well even in close

625
00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:37,549
encounters when the mothership appears

626
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:41,659
that behind Devils Tower we get verses

627
00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:44,090
clouds don't yeah yeah yeah

628
00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:46,789
this was a black and white the

629
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:50,419
pre-digital it's before you know so it's

630
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:53,210
the old whether it's 35 no I think it

631
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,409
was take and I've actually got a

632
00:32:01,210 --> 00:31:57,440
photograph of the old-style browning

633
00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:01,220
camera it was taking them and if you

634
00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:03,740
actually go into it you can see the

635
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:07,520
first as it's a distinct ring shaped

636
00:32:13,539 --> 00:32:09,980
object and it again bigger as it gets

637
00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:13,549
over the bases trees buildings so the

638
00:32:20,890 --> 00:32:17,900
great fourth perspective and also as it

639
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:20,900
gets closer you can see it physically

640
00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:24,710
change into this cloud and it's amazing

641
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:28,220
to see and it didn't actually include

642
00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:31,730
that first but I felt it had to really

643
00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:34,820
because with the book being about Close

644
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:36,980
Encounters and their different

645
00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:39,710
categories want to seven I thought it

646
00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:42,679
was a good one to be in there they

647
00:32:46,779 --> 00:32:44,750
certainly you can tell the times have

648
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:46,789
changed guess what I when I first began

649
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:48,710
in ufology there were only three Close

650
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:52,210
Encounters now this the seven I mean

651
00:32:58,930 --> 00:32:55,039
yeah

652
00:33:02,409 --> 00:32:58,940
Mulaney was what one and two and then it

653
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:02,419
was three when it came out for Steven

654
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:05,990
Spielberg movie three in old one

655
00:33:12,010 --> 00:33:08,990
connacher yeah yeah yeah I'm dot and dr.

656
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:12,020
Hynek who had a cameo role in the film

657
00:33:18,010 --> 00:33:15,470
didn't they need yes he they actually

658
00:33:21,070 --> 00:33:18,020
brought the third out and he didn't want

659
00:33:24,029 --> 00:33:21,080
to bring the Third Kind out see three so

660
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,039
you know it was interesting

661
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:26,720
absolutely sir talking about because

662
00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:28,010
we're talking about photographic

663
00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:30,980
evidence here quite recently when he

664
00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:33,590
felt I sent both of you an image that my

665
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:36,350
wife had taken not you're standing in

666
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:39,770
the back garden of our property and the

667
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:40,710
reason she took the

668
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:44,820
autograph and she was actually talking

669
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:48,750
on what's up to one of their female

670
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:51,710
friends who was on holiday in Benidorm

671
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:55,440
which is of course in Spain and a friend

672
00:34:00,080 --> 00:33:57,570
was saying how nice the weather was and

673
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:00,090
you know the sky is lovely it's nice and

674
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:04,799
warm etc etc so my wife went outside and

675
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:07,140
took a photograph of you can just see at

676
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:09,030
the top of the trees with the song

677
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:11,250
behind the sun's just coming up above

678
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,409
the owl was his opposite this was

679
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:15,480
roughly a person and ten o'clock in the

680
00:34:22,099 --> 00:34:17,820
morning and we've got a few wisps of

681
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:22,109
cloud and on one of the photographs and

682
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:24,030
my wife says to me she didn't actually

683
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:27,179
see this object when she took the

684
00:34:32,359 --> 00:34:30,119
photograph was a white dot at the top of

685
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:32,369
one of the clouds no I actually sent

686
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,899
this to you quite recently didn't

687
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:36,179
adjacent foods rather look at you did

688
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:40,859
yeah I could send it to Phil as well to

689
00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:45,179
be quite honest yes so yeah do you want

690
00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:46,470
to tell us what you think of it then

691
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:50,550
Jason yeah I went to the same process

692
00:34:59,180 --> 00:34:53,010
like I did with all all the photographs

693
00:35:03,950 --> 00:34:59,190
that I did or have done and I didn't

694
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:03,960
think it was a lens flare of such just

695
00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:07,020
with the the trees being at the angle

696
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:11,670
with the Sun sorry lower down yeah it

697
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:14,550
wasn't a typical lens flare that I would

698
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:19,050
be looking for but it that way yeah yeah

699
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:22,680
and when i enhance into the because it

700
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,770
was virtually a dot work on the original

701
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:27,960
photograph it didn't take up many pixels

702
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:30,089
did it on the actual photograph it did

703
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:33,750
no but when I actually enhanced the

704
00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:37,200
photograph enlargement and going through

705
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:41,270
that side of it they it had three

706
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:47,060
separate illuminated sections to it

707
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,290
which an aircraft would have maybe one

708
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:54,660
or two were definitely essential

709
00:35:59,840 --> 00:35:57,210
fuselage would be illuminated you would

710
00:36:02,120 --> 00:35:59,850
see that and that sort of a distance for

711
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:02,130
an aircraft you probably lose the the

712
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:04,410
wings you lose the sight of the wings

713
00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:06,890
mm-hmm

714
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:09,870
it was unexplained it was a you know an

715
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,520
object again how long it was there where

716
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:16,500
it was traveling because you did send me

717
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:18,450
another photograph yes I said yeah

718
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,240
that'd be the second floor to graph

719
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:23,520
which you overlaid on on top of the

720
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:26,460
original yeah it's actually got an

721
00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:29,160
aircraft air trail and you know the the

722
00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:31,100
clouding of the cloud formation the

723
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:33,150
condensation trail whatever it is that

724
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:35,610
comes back from the aircraft engines you

725
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:38,700
can actually see that and that is just

726
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:42,180
positioned above the tree yeah well you

727
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:43,800
know the the other thing is a couple of

728
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:45,930
more degrees that further up the of the

729
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:49,020
air the image now they were taken my

730
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:52,110
wife tells me with a 20-minute interval

731
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,460
in between them yeah well I did that and

732
00:37:04,540 --> 00:36:58,740
actually overlaid the photograph really

733
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:04,550
to find the direction of the vapor trail

734
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,070
because with other aircraft one now into

735
00:37:13,850 --> 00:37:10,950
the altitude of both objects but the

736
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:13,860
obviously the aircraft to have a vapor

737
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:16,920
trail is gonna be over 15 20 thousand

738
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,070
feet at least you know you wouldn't get

739
00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:22,740
a vapor trail lower than that that's

740
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:24,150
correct yeah cuz the air is a lot

741
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:25,710
thinner up there and it comes off yeah

742
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,900
easier that's right yeah so yeah I was

743
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:30,000
trying to eliminate in that respect but

744
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:33,300
then also the direction of the vapor

745
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,050
trail because you could see if it any

746
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:39,060
other aircraft in the area they would

747
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:41,430
also be coming if they're on the same

748
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:43,320
flight path they would all be going in

749
00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:45,810
roughly the same direction so yeah

750
00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:47,070
absolutely

751
00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:48,750
now what I have done is I've actually

752
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,600
used your images Jason and I've got a

753
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,060
little article into the next issue of

754
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:57,180
our limits magazine about what you about

755
00:38:00,980 --> 00:37:59,010
what you've analyzed there and just a

756
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:00,990
few brief details just to give people

757
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:03,030
you know a bit more information about it

758
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:04,440
ya know

759
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:06,420
well the thank you very much for you

760
00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:07,540
know for looking at that

761
00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:11,800
now M RAF Cosford the Cosford incident

762
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:13,960
led one says a little bit about that ner

763
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:18,670
Jason yeah that was that was an incident

764
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:23,620
that happened in March 1993 that's right

765
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:27,220
RAF Cosford is it's a training camp in

766
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:30,250
the Midlands not far from Telford and

767
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:33,730
Wolverhampton sort of in between I think

768
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:36,420
all brightness the nearest village to it

769
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:40,210
and it costed is like set a training

770
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:43,890
camp it's also the the Air Force Museum

771
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:46,870
so there's every aircraft you can think

772
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:49,210
of in there

773
00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:54,220
quite a large runway as well and during

774
00:39:00,930 --> 00:38:57,460
March 93 it was a good friend of mine

775
00:39:04,290 --> 00:39:00,940
who was the oddly corkle in the guard

776
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:04,300
room I was on the base that that night

777
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:08,320
but didn't see the the object and he

778
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:12,880
told me via quite a lengthy drawn-out

779
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:15,250
trying to get the information because

780
00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:16,870
the people didn't really speak about

781
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:18,100
things like that

782
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:23,050
then it was more of a hush but what

783
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:25,090
actually happened he was in the guard

784
00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:28,570
room as the oddly corporal next to him

785
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,540
you've got the off-duty Guard personnel

786
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:34,480
and guard commander in the guard room

787
00:39:40,890 --> 00:39:38,410
itself and the RAF police and everybody

788
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:40,900
to do with security of the base would be

789
00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:45,370
there there was a young airman who was

790
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:48,340
on the guard post of the airfield

791
00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:51,010
and I don't know any anybody else has

792
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:53,620
ever been to RAF Cosford is you pass

793
00:39:59,370 --> 00:39:56,140
under the railway bridge going towards

794
00:40:01,890 --> 00:39:59,380
the the museum and take a sharp right in

795
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:01,900
the road there's an actual guard hot

796
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:08,890
weather airfield gate right across which

797
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:11,710
is locked and it's access to get to the

798
00:40:19,290 --> 00:40:15,250
airfield obviously and this young lad

799
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:19,300
was on there early hours and in the

800
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:21,310
guard room itself everything

801
00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:23,530
nitin quite the way you want it to be

802
00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:25,270
when you're doing the night shift of God

803
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:28,990
and all of a sudden the radio jumped

804
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,650
into life and it was this young man

805
00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:34,240
screaming down the radio to get the

806
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:36,280
guard commander out to the airfield

807
00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:38,220
because something was over the airfield

808
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:41,100
and where he was actually located

809
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,810
situated each probably a couple of

810
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:46,560
hundred feet from the airfield itself so

811
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:49,660
at night time in the airfield was pitch

812
00:40:56,490 --> 00:40:54,160
black if you ever been to anywhere big

813
00:40:57,390 --> 00:40:56,500
open space it's just you can't see

814
00:40:59,550 --> 00:40:57,400
anything can you

815
00:41:02,130 --> 00:40:59,560
I have been upon to the top of the

816
00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:02,140
option Mars and we do the Sky Watch up

817
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:04,600
there many many many years ago in fact

818
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:06,070
it was the night that Princess Diana

819
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:08,680
died so that tells you how long ago that

820
00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:14,410
was that was 1997 and I dunno er it is

821
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:16,870
very extremely dark but you do get we

822
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:18,700
had a fantastic night that nights were

823
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:20,500
quite honest with you with the staff

824
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:22,120
feel that you could see practically

825
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:24,070
every single star up there was

826
00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:27,150
absolutely fantastic yeah really good

827
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:31,960
but the the the airman was screaming

828
00:41:36,990 --> 00:41:34,060
down the radio anyway to get the guard

829
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:37,000
commander out because something was over

830
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:38,970
the airfield

831
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:42,720
so upon this the guard commando

832
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:45,610
everybody else got into the Land Rovers

833
00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:47,560
and Sherpa vans and everything they had

834
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:50,680
at the time got in there and went out to

835
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:53,890
the airfield upon arriving on the

836
00:42:00,660 --> 00:41:56,650
airfield itself at the gate they all

837
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:00,670
witnessed this large black triangle

838
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,910
shaped craft which is jet black couple

839
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:05,920
of lights on the corners apparently and

840
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:09,370
it was just making a humming sound not

841
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:11,530
actually touching the ground what I

842
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:14,080
think they said it was hovering over the

843
00:42:20,310 --> 00:42:17,650
ground low down and they said it was the

844
00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:20,320
size of a battleship it was huge this

845
00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:26,230
thing so enormous in size upon seeing it

846
00:42:32,370 --> 00:42:28,420
after I don't know the actual time limit

847
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:32,380
they saw it it took off and went up onto

848
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:35,290
another RAF base which is our if sure

849
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:38,440
which is probably 15-20 miles away as

850
00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:42,910
the crow flies that's a helicopter base

851
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:45,400
I think Prince Harry and all that land

852
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:48,490
either was taught how to fly there and

853
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:54,250
everything you know and through when air

854
00:43:01,530 --> 00:42:57,610
you have you heard of wink each yes yeah

855
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:01,540
he's a good friend of my win and he was

856
00:43:10,830 --> 00:43:07,270
he's an X or EF pilot himself but he's

857
00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:10,840
friend who was in the traffic control

858
00:43:19,380 --> 00:43:14,500
tower that night apparently saw this

859
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:19,390
craft come in over the airfield and it

860
00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:21,910
was actually firing lasers down towards

861
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:24,820
the ground yes he serves looking for

862
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:26,950
something as if it was looking for

863
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:29,130
something that was the impression he got

864
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:33,910
but that night whether it was after but

865
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:37,050
definitely before throughout the UK

866
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:39,640
there was a lot of sightings of

867
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:41,830
triangular shaped craft whether it was

868
00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:44,500
the same craft or not and it was seen by

869
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:47,260
on duty policeman and members of the

870
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:50,200
public now you said there were sightings

871
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:53,170
around many parts of the UK indeed there

872
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,530
were but my information is also that

873
00:44:03,480 --> 00:43:59,220
these were seen in parts of Ireland

874
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:03,490
northern air france and in other parts

875
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,610
of Europe as well you know and this is

876
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:08,560
one of the I think it's still one of the

877
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:10,990
cases that Nick Bob sizes is most

878
00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:13,960
convincing UFO reports laughs yeah I

879
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:15,580
remember that correctly what is your

880
00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:20,170
interest in it then Jason really do with

881
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:23,260
UFOs and it was something that happened

882
00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:26,950
and it was all hushed and quietly okay

883
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:29,350
okay I'm sorry I thought you actually

884
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:32,470
had other if you know a little bit more

885
00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:35,170
information regarding maybe an image is

886
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:36,700
something like that that's why I thought

887
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:40,930
I'd bring up my apologies know what

888
00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:43,900
again like we said Nick Pope actually

889
00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:48,940
was involved the day after in and

890
00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:51,099
went through Whitehall and the mo day

891
00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:55,300
yeah and I remember my friend saying

892
00:45:03,059 --> 00:44:59,470
that people turned up in suits and we're

893
00:45:08,130 --> 00:45:03,069
asking questions and interviews etc and

894
00:45:11,730 --> 00:45:08,140
it was certainly made people aware and

895
00:45:13,859 --> 00:45:11,740
and like Nick says himself in talks and

896
00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:13,869
you know he actually wrote a piece in

897
00:45:19,319 --> 00:45:16,900
the book for me as well yeah yeah you

898
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:19,329
know just really back you know what

899
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:24,280
happened before and the aftermath okay

900
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,210
yeah I mean those are not aware and Nick

901
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:31,599
was employed at the mini sue defense at

902
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:36,970
the time wasn't God and you know you

903
00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:40,450
know he tried to get the mo D but to

904
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:43,540
officially investigate this I mean he

905
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:47,819
wrote a report about it but there's also

906
00:45:53,339 --> 00:45:51,310
the skeptics out there am i right Jason

907
00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:53,349
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here

908
00:46:01,230 --> 00:45:56,440
yeah yeah because on the same night they

909
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:01,240
claimed that there was a Russian rocket

910
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:08,130
or yeah yeah or something of that nature

911
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:13,630
you know but it cosmos two to three

912
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:17,410
eight or something like that yeah and I

913
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:19,510
could not be on its own or from from my

914
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:25,359
past experiences we again had a re-entry

915
00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:27,609
I can't remember the date it was in the

916
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:29,740
8th it's sometime warmer England it was

917
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:32,040
the satellite that was coming down and

918
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:33,880
we knew what was coming

919
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:38,319
you know but we still had that she

920
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:40,750
Mendes amount of reports from the

921
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:44,970
general public describing this reentry

922
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:48,910
did it made a noise it had windows in it

923
00:46:54,329 --> 00:46:51,940
they could smell it and a whole host of

924
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,339
things but none of them described it as

925
00:46:58,650 --> 00:46:56,800
a satellite reentry you know we even

926
00:47:02,880 --> 00:46:58,660
heard wrong things you look like it was

927
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:02,890
a bus that was coming in so

928
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:05,500
and not only that it was seen or were a

929
00:47:10,259 --> 00:47:07,980
lot of that one of them that this off

930
00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:10,269
rules of thumb you could tell what it

931
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:13,240
was it was seen over a wide distance but

932
00:47:17,099 --> 00:47:14,650
this was coming in you know high

933
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:17,109
altitude and it burned up in the

934
00:47:25,259 --> 00:47:20,529
atmosphere or whatever and and I know

935
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:25,269
people like Debbie Clark has put forward

936
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:28,690
this is the explanation for this

937
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,849
particular aspect of sightings I mean I

938
00:47:37,859 --> 00:47:36,160
think it wouldn't agree with David or

939
00:47:40,259 --> 00:47:37,869
anyone else's conclusion that you were

940
00:47:45,809 --> 00:47:40,269
looking at some kind of rocket that

941
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:45,819
night no no yet again you know a lot of

942
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:50,079
people do see craft and and but I do

943
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,329
also think probably 90% of people at sea

944
00:48:00,299 --> 00:47:57,839
for instance a triangular-shaped craft

945
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:00,309
you know it's probably some kind of

946
00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:03,250
secret deep black cove air project or

947
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:06,849
something that we don't know about which

948
00:48:13,049 --> 00:48:08,950
you know we're slowly coming out now

949
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:13,059
more to do with the troops base fleet

950
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:16,990
and you know all regards to the to the

951
00:48:23,730 --> 00:48:19,240
scope to the Stars Academy and things

952
00:48:26,279 --> 00:48:23,740
like that but people I think most the

953
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:26,289
time they do see something that is

954
00:48:31,019 --> 00:48:29,730
unexplainable and and and it is

955
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:31,029
unexplainable

956
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:33,690
even after research and looking into it

957
00:48:40,019 --> 00:48:37,390
but you know I mean I think what's

958
00:48:41,069 --> 00:48:40,029
interesting I mean again well we used to

959
00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:41,079
call these things

960
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:44,470
the silent Volcom as a nickname after

961
00:48:49,019 --> 00:48:47,470
the old Vulcan bomber not because it was

962
00:48:52,259 --> 00:48:49,029
a good one there just because it was

963
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:52,269
triangular shape yeah and what is

964
00:48:59,940 --> 00:48:54,490
interesting and I rewatched again this

965
00:49:03,089 --> 00:48:59,950
the other day is tend to look at in our

966
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:03,099
spate of sightings on its own and they

967
00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:05,140
don't try it we know it's rare we try

968
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:07,000
and put it into any kind of context now

969
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:10,390
if you look at flying triangle just used

970
00:49:23,310 --> 00:49:19,470
Westchester County in August State New

971
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:23,320
York and I think it was one of the last

972
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:25,390
field investigations that the late dr.

973
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:27,610
Hynek did with the gentleman called

974
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:31,750
Philip I can't pronounce it it rigged or

975
00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:34,990
no or in Gregor no and he wrote a book

976
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:37,900
on it called night siege and it was just

977
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:40,930
the time when the soft first home video

978
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:42,940
cameras were will be becoming available

979
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:45,810
so the last bits of film a bit as well

980
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:49,510
and lo and behold no sooner than that

981
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:51,400
and Amazon and I were talking a lot of

982
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:54,010
sightings that had finished and then

983
00:50:02,340 --> 00:49:58,510
here in the UK from sort of mid-1980s to

984
00:50:06,810 --> 00:50:02,350
the late 1980s we had a spate of

985
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:06,820
triangular sightings over of what we

986
00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:09,910
call the Midlands South Yorkshire and

987
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:12,460
into the West Yorkshire some of which

988
00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:16,210
were witnessed by police in South

989
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:17,950
Yorkshire David Clarke didn't

990
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:20,890
investigate them and lost and long

991
00:50:27,870 --> 00:50:23,710
behold when they dissipated we have the

992
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:27,880
triangular sightings in Belgium which of

993
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:29,770
course culminated with the Belgian Air

994
00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:33,510
Force tracking one of these things on on

995
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:37,360
on the Jets on it on its radar but not

996
00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:41,350
on the main a book of sightings what was

997
00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:44,560
above like nineteen eighties they did

998
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:47,380
carry on for quite some time before they

999
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:50,470
dissipated into the 1990s that was just

1000
00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:53,440
wondering if this thing at RAF Cosford

1001
00:50:58,980 --> 00:50:56,740
might have been the back end off

1002
00:51:01,290 --> 00:50:58,990
whatever these triangular sightings were

1003
00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:01,300
and as when you check it on its own and

1004
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:03,400
it's interesting but when you turn link

1005
00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:06,130
it all together like this um I think

1006
00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:08,380
there's something there and it's it's

1007
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:10,150
it's not just happened to organise

1008
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:11,650
something that's been going on for a

1009
00:51:16,830 --> 00:51:15,190
number of years what a wide range from

1010
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:16,840
one side of the Atlantic to the other

1011
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:19,390
that's that's my three penneth on iphone

1012
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:22,450
or for what it's worth you can look at

1013
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:25,600
that as well because you can go with

1014
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:28,750
cycles where people see different shaped

1015
00:51:32,570 --> 00:51:29,490
you

1016
00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:32,580
those through different decades and like

1017
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:34,500
you've just said through the 80s 90s

1018
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:37,050
with the Delta shape the the

1019
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:41,690
triangular-shaped tr-3b type of craft

1020
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,240
you know and of the period you'll just

1021
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,700
see disc shaped and more modern now you

1022
00:51:52,849 --> 00:51:49,260
see in a lot of bulbs

1023
00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:52,859
it seems go why is that that why do we

1024
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:57,030
not get anymore flying saucers well I'm

1025
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:01,380
still getting them well I'm you know

1026
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:03,330
I've published a couple of what's it

1027
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:03,630
about

1028
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,020
classic clocks encounters you know with

1029
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:09,200
strange creatures and the whole works

1030
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,180
where have they all gone because I've

1031
00:52:19,099 --> 00:52:15,359
not had one across my desk or I've read

1032
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,109
about one you know in another part of

1033
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:21,900
the world for a long time you know and

1034
00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:24,810
and why is that so again if you look at

1035
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:27,270
you followed you in total from when it

1036
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:28,859
was will check from Kenneth Arnold

1037
00:52:34,579 --> 00:52:32,310
onwards you can see how it's changed and

1038
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:34,589
you know if it could even say evolved in

1039
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:36,750
inverted commas down the decades to

1040
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:38,520
where we are now now is that the

1041
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:41,310
phenomena evolve and is something else

1042
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,880
at play in this changing this game I've

1043
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:49,920
just them I'm just thinking I'm you know

1044
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:53,760
I think it's a phenomenal exchange in to

1045
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,800
be quite honest with you and I mean

1046
00:52:59,900 --> 00:52:57,780
let's take an example really of an

1047
00:53:03,349 --> 00:52:59,910
everyday car the cars that we had in the

1048
00:53:05,810 --> 00:53:03,359
1940s 1950s were not the same shape and

1049
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:05,820
speed etc etc didn't have the same

1050
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:08,700
miracle engines made out of iron ore or

1051
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:10,410
whatever nowadays there are made of

1052
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:12,630
alloys and they're all a lot lighter so

1053
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:15,000
I think it's a phenomena which is

1054
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,770
representing this which is changing

1055
00:53:22,099 --> 00:53:19,200
itself but just going back to that cost

1056
00:53:25,099 --> 00:53:22,109
with incident and the rocket explanation

1057
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:25,109
I think it's a cycling rocket it was the

1058
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:29,460
name of a TS y KL o n a cyclone rocket

1059
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:32,970
which air it's apparently this Russian

1060
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:35,430
rocket re-entered the atmosphere about

1061
00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:38,650
2:20 a.m. but there's a an

1062
00:53:43,860 --> 00:53:40,630
they're in the margin of an hour of

1063
00:53:46,110 --> 00:53:43,870
either way now protect 115 has been in

1064
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:46,120
the local town let the some say that

1065
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:49,450
explains the UFO sighting at Gosford but

1066
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:51,370
it's also quite interested in that Nick

1067
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:55,540
Pope wrote to di 55 with the common

1068
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,330
himself whilst the decay might explain

1069
00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:00,880
some of the altitude sightings it does

1070
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:02,950
not explain the low-level sighting of

1071
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:05,320
this vehicle you know round about 200

1072
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:08,170
foot up and also fade Phil sue explained

1073
00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:11,020
the report of Elohim which would report

1074
00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:14,680
today I'm not saying this is an

1075
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:16,390
explanation for it I think this is where

1076
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:18,190
Nick's that I gave it to and his lack of

1077
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:22,180
experience as a as I explained with the

1078
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,260
previous Russian satellite or whatever

1079
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:27,520
it was that we entered that we knew

1080
00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:30,580
about was well explained into the same

1081
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,580
kind of things Chris they say the cracy

1082
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:35,440
windle's in it well there was no windows

1083
00:54:38,940 --> 00:54:36,760
in it and they said it could smell it

1084
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:38,950
well you couldn't there was no smell and

1085
00:54:44,310 --> 00:54:40,990
and they could hear it well there was no

1086
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:44,320
noise these these are things that we for

1087
00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:47,290
whatever we put onto this these type of

1088
00:54:51,390 --> 00:54:49,060
things when we see them and even now

1089
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:51,400
although it looks very different I think

1090
00:54:56,850 --> 00:54:54,310
just in the last couple of weeks I think

1091
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:56,860
it was old what's-his-face Elon Musk was

1092
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:00,160
the rocket yeah and of course all people

1093
00:55:04,050 --> 00:55:02,290
on and I mean a fantastic when you saw

1094
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:04,060
it guy not be well you know I mean

1095
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:06,070
wonderful but the people saying what's

1096
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:08,920
this look at look at that yeah and you

1097
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:10,870
say oh I'm sorry it's a rocket launch

1098
00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:12,610
well why are you talking about you know

1099
00:55:20,570 --> 00:55:15,640
no case yeah you know yeah no it's not

1100
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:20,580
it's it's a rocket so we empower our own

1101
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,930
thoughts when we see these things at

1102
00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:24,880
times so I think Nicky I'm not saying

1103
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:26,440
that's the explanation for this I'm just

1104
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:27,090
saying

1105
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,850
Nicky's wrong when it says he can't

1106
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:33,040
accept there can't be explained some of

1107
00:55:37,650 --> 00:55:36,190
the low light but low altitude sir I

1108
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:37,660
give me another example and it comes to

1109
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:40,510
your neck of the woods this grace in the

1110
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:44,200
late 1980s or what what the whole know

1111
00:55:50,610 --> 00:55:47,500
was that night space of sightings again

1112
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,620
it was this huge triangular craft ball

1113
00:55:54,310 --> 00:55:51,920
it up

1114
00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:54,320
I was actually on BBC Radio Humberside

1115
00:56:00,340 --> 00:55:56,900
live when the reports of these things

1116
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:00,350
were coming in and our EF benbrook was

1117
00:56:04,930 --> 00:56:02,210
still going that it's closed now I

1118
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:04,940
believe yeah it has yeah yes a lid foam

1119
00:56:09,730 --> 00:56:07,570
bit in being blocks it got to do with us

1120
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:09,740
and that was a play on words

1121
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:12,530
so now up as I'm live on air got I got

1122
00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:14,210
one call I come in and I spoke to him

1123
00:56:20,110 --> 00:56:17,720
privately and he was ex-raf and he said

1124
00:56:22,780 --> 00:56:20,120
surely plan on what this is it's a

1125
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:22,790
refueling exercise he says you have to

1126
00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:25,760
tanker aircraft they go out over this

1127
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:29,480
L&R sea and you have the the the Jets

1128
00:56:33,790 --> 00:56:31,250
following them you know like like a

1129
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:33,800
flock of geese almost and they do it

1130
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:36,140
over the sea for obvious leaves in case

1131
00:56:40,780 --> 00:56:37,640
of any accidents across the ball got

1132
00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:40,790
lights on now one gentleman I went to

1133
00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:41,900
and I went to interview these people

1134
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:44,180
later Chris in you know around him

1135
00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:46,490
beside he said it landed in each field

1136
00:56:54,490 --> 00:56:51,980
you know it was about 13 of 16 aircraft

1137
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:54,500
involved and it actually came from it

1138
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,930
didn't come from bin block so when they

1139
00:57:00,400 --> 00:56:58,640
said it's nothing to do with us didn't

1140
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:00,410
mean also they are a that's the menthols

1141
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:02,450
that's been block he came from somewhere

1142
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:05,150
down down down south and it flew up the

1143
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:07,490
coast and out of a homicide but some

1144
00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:10,310
people did report it being a very very

1145
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:13,100
low level which of course it wasn't so

1146
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:16,460
and I you know I have that in mind files

1147
00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:18,050
to remind me that we can't always

1148
00:57:22,270 --> 00:57:20,750
believe what people tell us yes in a

1149
00:57:23,770 --> 00:57:22,280
thing that flew flew straight over the

1150
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:23,780
Humber didn't over the on the bridge if

1151
00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:24,910
I remember correctly

1152
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:27,620
absolutely this chap was adamant it was

1153
00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:30,380
a farmer he said under D my field I'm

1154
00:57:39,550 --> 00:57:35,180
thinking you know didn't but that's just

1155
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:39,560
the way it is but a fascinating

1156
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:43,250
fascinating black triangle shaped craft

1157
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:47,390
they've been witness since 1896 we know

1158
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:50,690
going way back and that's before there

1159
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:52,610
are the Wright brothers and everything

1160
00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:54,650
else know where people were round in

1161
00:57:59,920 --> 00:57:57,800
balloons and things then so yeah I mean

1162
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,930
I think I think with with sightings and

1163
00:58:04,420 --> 00:58:01,760
encounters the canna go around in

1164
00:58:05,350 --> 00:58:04,430
fashion you know not long before he died

1165
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:05,360
I met I met

1166
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,510
dr. John Mack and one of the things that

1167
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,880
that John talked to me about where we

1168
00:58:16,810 --> 00:58:13,280
had lunch together at a conference in in

1169
00:58:19,570 --> 00:58:16,820
in the States and he wanted to go back

1170
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,580
in time and look at some of the old

1171
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:21,440
contactee sightings

1172
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:24,290
you know like George Adamski and various

1173
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,390
others it was just something that

1174
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:28,880
puzzled him you know it just it was just

1175
00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:30,770
fascinated by it because one of the

1176
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:32,560
things he said is we don't get that now

1177
00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:35,090
those things of for whatever reason have

1178
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:35,720
gone

1179
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:38,690
yeah it's wolf Donna toy he says it's

1180
00:58:44,830 --> 00:58:40,850
like anything we need to understand our

1181
00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:44,840
history and and he was intent on not

1182
00:58:49,570 --> 00:58:47,540
having a look back at things like that

1183
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,580
obviously sadly he never got the chance

1184
00:58:57,780 --> 00:58:52,240
to see he died in a road traffic

1185
00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:57,790
accident in London once again yeah yeah

1186
00:59:02,260 --> 00:59:00,380
so what I was going to say Jess and if

1187
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:02,270
there's anybody listening out there

1188
00:59:06,820 --> 00:59:04,970
tonight and the bit of it thousands may

1189
00:59:09,820 --> 00:59:06,830
I can assure you have that the airwaves

1190
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:09,830
will be a watch listening to this sure

1191
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:15,250
tonight but if they have a photograph

1192
00:59:23,110 --> 00:59:19,850
Ruff's and a digital are the old 35

1193
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:23,120
millimeter or a piece of film and they

1194
00:59:27,340 --> 00:59:25,160
wish to get in touch with you and have

1195
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:27,350
it baffle have you personally check it

1196
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:30,410
out how would they go about that I think

1197
00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:34,910
anyone who has the photographs images or

1198
00:59:39,730 --> 00:59:37,220
something that they're really curious

1199
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:39,740
about you know they can contact me

1200
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:42,680
through the website uf only you know on

1201
00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:46,310
Facebook Twitter Google+ and other media

1202
00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:50,630
and yeah I'll look at every photographs

1203
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:53,660
I don't judge anybody I can get it wrong

1204
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:57,170
to like anybody else can but I will

1205
01:00:02,080 --> 00:59:59,210
certainly look at something for the

1206
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:02,090
mouth analyze it I'll go through the

1207
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:05,290
process of looking at it for them also

1208
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:10,220
if I don't know or have the answer to

1209
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:13,130
for them regarding their image I

1210
01:00:17,890 --> 01:00:16,130
certainly know somebody will or you give

1211
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:17,900
them a better idea and I'll put them in

1212
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:18,770
there there

1213
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:25,010
direction yeah you know I just love

1214
01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:27,770
getting photographs and trying to do the

1215
01:00:34,810 --> 01:00:30,260
Sherlock Holmes on it and trying to find

1216
01:00:37,530 --> 01:00:34,820
out it's it's the boss of of doing their

1217
01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:37,540
nuts probably why we do it isn't it

1218
01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:40,820
is there any photograph or piece of film

1219
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:44,780
that you've looked up Jason that springs

1220
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:47,990
up as a deliberate hoax then someone's

1221
01:00:55,090 --> 01:00:51,050
just tried to catch you out can you

1222
01:00:59,620 --> 01:00:55,100
think of any there was a guy who

1223
01:01:02,650 --> 01:00:59,630
contacted me from in the state I can't

1224
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:02,660
remember where exactly on his name and I

1225
01:01:06,970 --> 01:01:04,970
don't mean I just copy them but really

1226
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:06,980
but and I went through the exact process

1227
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,610
like everybody else when they send me an

1228
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,280
image and and when I do it it's not

1229
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:15,440
always as quick to do because I do have

1230
01:01:21,340 --> 01:01:18,410
other things like a job to do and family

1231
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:21,350
life but when I got video get in the way

1232
01:01:32,770 --> 01:01:30,380
Jason and is a triangle shaped craft but

1233
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:32,780
more of a v-shape like the Phoenix

1234
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:36,050
lights that sort of a you know shaped

1235
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:39,710
object and the more I looked I thought

1236
01:01:44,890 --> 01:01:42,290
ooh and he took the photograph out of

1237
01:01:47,110 --> 01:01:44,900
his car window you could see the window

1238
01:01:50,350 --> 01:01:47,120
half down - it wasn't a reflection

1239
01:01:54,790 --> 01:01:50,360
through glass and he was moving and he

1240
01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:54,800
took it a couple of photographs so I got

1241
01:02:00,340 --> 01:01:56,990
the best photograph that I could see out

1242
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:00,350
of them did the usual thing overlaid and

1243
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:06,640
built up the image it was a b2 b2 bomber

1244
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:10,430
which again when it comes back to I

1245
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:13,130
should have gone deeper into his

1246
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:17,270
background and he was passing near by an

1247
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:21,230
Air Force Base another little alarm bell

1248
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:24,290
but when actually went in and analyzed

1249
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:27,110
the photographs enhanced and blew up

1250
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:30,520
that image you could actually see the

1251
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:32,730
the jagged edges

1252
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,460
back of the bomber which you know they

1253
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:37,920
do stand out quite obvious when you see

1254
01:02:43,970 --> 01:02:40,380
a photograph but then actually got a

1255
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:43,980
photograph of a real bomber b2 or

1256
01:02:50,540 --> 01:02:47,010
wherever it was put that on and it was

1257
01:02:52,310 --> 01:02:50,550
virtually identical so do you think do

1258
01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:52,320
you think the gentleman knew that or I

1259
01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:55,950
think he sort of knew it because you

1260
01:03:03,140 --> 01:02:58,380
know he said there was no sound at the

1261
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,150
time but the distance etc I know bein

1262
01:03:08,740 --> 01:03:05,520
ex-military that you can be a distance

1263
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:08,750
from military aircraft and not hear them

1264
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,849
due to wind anything you know any

1265
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:13,920
environmental condition could cause that

1266
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:18,930
you know sound what passing the the Air

1267
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:22,890
Force Base close by and we must have

1268
01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:25,770
known the alien and also seen others I

1269
01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:28,320
was a bit dubious after going through

1270
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:30,300
all the process of doing it and then

1271
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:33,650
being what I sorta thought it was so

1272
01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:37,170
yeah I think that's a sort of thing I'll

1273
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:40,619
get but then I still get the buzz out of

1274
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:44,430
doing that because you get into the end

1275
01:03:50,180 --> 01:03:47,970
result on e you get your little fix in

1276
01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:50,190
your answer that's yeah it's like I said

1277
01:03:55,460 --> 01:03:53,190
when we interviewed him Phillip Kinsella

1278
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:55,470
a couple of weeks ago now you know we're

1279
01:04:00,740 --> 01:03:58,140
all seekers of truth and yeah it's

1280
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:00,750
getting that truth from that image is

1281
01:04:06,490 --> 01:04:03,810
what you're seeking yeah yeah again it's

1282
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,500
like some people have asked me about

1283
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:08,700
constantly asked me about my involvement

1284
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:10,890
with him from this alien autopsy film

1285
01:04:15,050 --> 01:04:13,710
which even got us it turned out to be a

1286
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:15,060
flake and I said does that disappoint

1287
01:04:19,940 --> 01:04:17,910
you Phillip as a no because I followed

1288
01:04:22,819 --> 01:04:19,950
it took me a long time I followed it and

1289
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,829
eventually many years later but

1290
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:25,440
eventually I got to the bottom of it and

1291
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:27,540
I was quite happy that I'd found the

1292
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:30,780
answers and it wasn't one of the

1293
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:32,730
skeptics who will just dismissed it as

1294
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:34,950
as as a whole but couldn't prove it

1295
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:37,440
you know Philip Glass being one of them

1296
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,190
and others the person no it was it was

1297
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:44,160
me you know a UFO researcher that got to

1298
01:04:46,310 --> 01:04:45,960
the bottom of it no no one else and I

1299
01:04:48,890 --> 01:04:46,320
you

1300
01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:48,900
I got a huge bottle of that cuz I've

1301
01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:50,460
been accused of being involved with the

1302
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:53,400
hours race until it's accomplished god

1303
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:56,670
knows what else you know so I understand

1304
01:05:00,740 --> 01:04:59,280
that but surely as well Jason you must

1305
01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:00,750
get some people would have submitted

1306
01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:02,790
some photographs you found a rational

1307
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:05,790
explanation for them and the detention

1308
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:10,290
they're not happy oh yeah to be honest I

1309
01:05:17,060 --> 01:05:14,130
I don't like being the bearer of bad

1310
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:17,070
news because when they brought a

1311
01:05:22,550 --> 01:05:20,010
photograph to you their whether it's

1312
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:22,560
truth or not I'll never judge anybody

1313
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:26,130
because that's not my job to well I will

1314
01:05:32,330 --> 01:05:29,850
always try and help them well again it's

1315
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:32,340
whether you've been duped on a

1316
01:05:36,110 --> 01:05:33,690
photograph it

1317
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:36,120
some people will contact me and they

1318
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:38,130
don't want no publicity at all they

1319
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:41,310
don't want it repost in or anything like

1320
01:05:46,790 --> 01:05:43,380
they just want the answer to what

1321
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:46,800
they've seen and if it turns out to be

1322
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:50,190
something man-made or an aircraft bird

1323
01:05:55,790 --> 01:05:53,910
or something that's explainable then so

1324
01:05:58,220 --> 01:05:55,800
be and off they go on their merry way

1325
01:06:00,290 --> 01:05:58,230
but you'll get other people like you've

1326
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:00,300
just said that will be a bit auntie

1327
01:06:05,570 --> 01:06:03,780
about it and oh I don't believe what

1328
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:05,580
you're saying and I said well it's just

1329
01:06:11,450 --> 01:06:08,310
my opinion up dumb why can't for you you

1330
01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:11,460
know and that's all you can do mmm-hmm

1331
01:06:18,020 --> 01:06:14,520
absolutely so in your first book then

1332
01:06:20,570 --> 01:06:18,030
Jason UFO photo and you mentioned that

1333
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:20,580
you've got two favorite UFO photographs

1334
01:06:25,310 --> 01:06:23,220
from the book now the first one that you

1335
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:25,320
mentioned is the civilian agent am

1336
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:28,530
pilots the white a double buzz what tell

1337
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:29,970
us a little bit about that and just skip

1338
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:32,160
give our listeners know what it's all

1339
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,090
about yeah it's in the book and really

1340
01:06:41,570 --> 01:06:38,640
it's more if you could see the footage

1341
01:06:44,330 --> 01:06:41,580
the footage is on YouTube and I've

1342
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,340
analyzed the footage really there that

1343
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:47,280
that is really that the best one of the

1344
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:50,480
best that I've done from in my opinion

1345
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:53,970
but in the book it really needed to go

1346
01:06:59,600 --> 01:06:56,460
in the book but it was a frames because

1347
01:07:04,060 --> 01:06:59,610
often you can't put video in a book so

1348
01:07:10,850 --> 01:07:04,070
ya know ya where I think the working

1349
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:10,860
re-watching looked like it could have

1350
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:14,130
been in Harry Potter book and it was

1351
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:18,990
footage that this civilian airline pilot

1352
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:23,610
in Argentina and he was flying big it

1353
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:27,110
was a twin prop saying a turboprop

1354
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,330
aircraft and he'd seen UFOs before but

1355
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,280
obviously at the time he didn't have a

1356
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:37,260
camera on him or anything like I think

1357
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:39,050
it was 2014

1358
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:43,380
so camera cameras them was still quite

1359
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:45,930
good on Tom phones not like today that

1360
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:48,570
they've got even better again but he

1361
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:50,460
didn't have a camera with him he was

1362
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:53,730
just a mobile phone so this time when he

1363
01:08:00,320 --> 01:07:56,880
went off in his aircraft he was probably

1364
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:00,330
about five pushing 10,000 feet so he's

1365
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:03,570
going through the cloud base quite

1366
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:08,760
detailed the footage and again he had

1367
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,610
the feeling that he was gonna see

1368
01:08:17,690 --> 01:08:14,160
something again so he had this phone

1369
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:17,700
ready and on this occasion he was flying

1370
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:21,450
and he saw the two objects come in from

1371
01:08:28,190 --> 01:08:25,830
his left hand side out of the window so

1372
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:28,200
he kept flying in in in a straight line

1373
01:08:33,170 --> 01:08:30,630
obviously and you can see the clouds as

1374
01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:33,180
he's going through them and these two

1375
01:08:40,580 --> 01:08:37,230
objects a large cylindrical shaped

1376
01:08:43,250 --> 01:08:40,590
object flew directly in front of his

1377
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:43,260
aircraft shooting up they were ascending

1378
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:48,570
as well as going directly across and it

1379
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:50,970
was followed by a smaller disc shaped

1380
01:08:57,740 --> 01:08:55,560
craft and he's what chimneys craft all

1381
01:09:00,860 --> 01:08:57,750
the time so he's still flying obviously

1382
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:00,870
and the craft fly from left to right

1383
01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:03,750
right in front and then they do a big

1384
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:07,380
loop a big arch flight come back on

1385
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:09,930
themselves and go back in front of his

1386
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:13,319
aircraft again put together this time

1387
01:09:19,340 --> 01:09:14,850
so they're actually in a smaller

1388
01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:19,350
formation and disappear and he's getting

1389
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,960
all this on his mobile phone and when

1390
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:24,560
you slow it down you obviously in frames

1391
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:27,900
with the footage is not the best but

1392
01:09:34,820 --> 01:09:31,230
it's the best from the time you can see

1393
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:34,830
the actual objects what civilian

1394
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:37,140
aircraft would not do that military

1395
01:09:42,770 --> 01:09:37,650
aircraft

1396
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,780
they certainly wouldn't do it twice even

1397
01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:44,880
if the first time was a mistake

1398
01:09:53,599 --> 01:09:48,630
so and with him also saying he'd seen

1399
01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:53,609
aircraft UFOs before so that's probably

1400
01:10:00,110 --> 01:09:57,030
one of the best pieces of footage that I

1401
01:10:02,780 --> 01:10:00,120
enjoy and enjoyed doing you know

1402
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,790
analyzing yeah I know you said that's on

1403
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:04,560
YouTube but have you got that on your

1404
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:07,410
own website as well yes yes the actual

1405
01:10:14,030 --> 01:10:11,070
analyzed footage that I did is on by UF

1406
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:14,040
only YouTube channel that's brilliant

1407
01:10:19,460 --> 01:10:16,260
now the second case that I know you

1408
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:19,470
enjoyed analyzing was one which I think

1409
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:21,540
we're all very much aware of which was

1410
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:25,380
the the 1942 battle over Los Angeles

1411
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:27,450
what was it about that faintree could do

1412
01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:31,830
so much that's really there that's one

1413
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,400
most people were brought into with us

1414
01:10:40,190 --> 01:10:37,440
Allah gee you know it's it's been around

1415
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:40,200
as long as every it's been around as

1416
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:45,600
long as Philip school we know where did

1417
01:10:57,710 --> 01:10:52,650
you know that is I think America donees

1418
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:57,720
been in the war three months so that's

1419
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:00,780
why if this large object was coming over

1420
01:11:07,340 --> 01:11:04,170
Los Angeles and it was being fired up

1421
01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:07,350
from every position going they thought

1422
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,500
it was the enemy maybe the German lost

1423
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:12,960
laughter or the Japanese coming to

1424
01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:17,040
attack Los Angeles and this object is

1425
01:11:23,690 --> 01:11:20,820
steadily you know glided over Los

1426
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:23,700
Angeles itself it was seen by thousands

1427
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:29,030
the amount of rounds that were shot at

1428
01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:32,250
this thing and it didn't waver one bit

1429
01:11:39,310 --> 01:11:36,300
at all it had searchlights on it and of

1430
01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:39,320
everybody must have seen the actual

1431
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:42,750
photographs you know from the time so it

1432
01:11:47,630 --> 01:11:45,510
was definitely one to analyze yeah this

1433
01:11:49,820 --> 01:11:47,640
is the famous photograph into the light

1434
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,830
sitting something up in the sky and you

1435
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:52,080
can see the rounds the shells exploding

1436
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:55,290
nearby yeah this is the one where I'm

1437
01:12:00,100 --> 01:11:58,440
not one single shell appeared to hit to

1438
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:00,110
it the actual object that was up there

1439
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:04,800
so yeah so what you mentioned the i

1440
01:12:09,380 --> 01:12:07,470
detail that you got and when you

1441
01:12:13,150 --> 01:12:09,390
announced this image what was in that

1442
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,160
detail well it the actual shape of the

1443
01:12:19,940 --> 01:12:16,320
object crack is obviously a craft of

1444
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:19,950
some sort but the actual detail that

1445
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:22,230
came out when it was analyzed go through

1446
01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:24,840
the process that I go through and

1447
01:12:32,990 --> 01:12:27,900
overlay in the different inverted and

1448
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:33,000
the filtered analyzed images are of this

1449
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:37,560
one large craft and then it brought out

1450
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:39,840
detail that you couldn't see no one's

1451
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:42,360
ever seen before because nobody's ever

1452
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:46,110
gone through this or process of doing it

1453
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:48,570
because they just see the the black and

1454
01:12:54,170 --> 01:12:52,290
white photograph with the searchlight on

1455
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:54,180
the object and you can see a vague

1456
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:57,830
outline of the object itself but when I

1457
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:01,440
went into the process of the analyse and

1458
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:04,290
the the image you could see that it was

1459
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:07,620
it would it didn't look like it did on

1460
01:13:14,270 --> 01:13:12,690
its outline was quite interesting so

1461
01:13:15,710 --> 01:13:14,280
where can we say that I know it's in the

1462
01:13:18,740 --> 01:13:15,720
book but he's around about anywhere else

1463
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:18,750
will concealer no I think I only put it

1464
01:13:24,020 --> 01:13:23,010
in the book okay really I didn't for the

1465
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:24,030
book because I was going through

1466
01:13:31,130 --> 01:13:27,690
different cases - it was really cases

1467
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:31,140
through the decades so I mean it's one

1468
01:13:35,050 --> 01:13:33,090
of the things jess and a9 discussed when

1469
01:13:40,670 --> 01:13:35,060
they was putting the book together is

1470
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:40,680
yes try and use as many photographs

1471
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:42,600
pieces of film that will be unfamiliar

1472
01:13:47,210 --> 01:13:45,480
to people but also you know some des

1473
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:47,220
that there would know something that

1474
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:48,900
they would probably recognize are silly

1475
01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:51,330
have heard of and that was a prime

1476
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:54,540
suspect as Jason just outlined you don't

1477
01:14:05,210 --> 01:13:56,250
need to see it anywhere else just by the

1478
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:05,220
book Amazon now it sells out did you see

1479
01:14:08,420 --> 01:14:06,600
we could get that filler didn't quite

1480
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:08,430
get that just sin against I think these

1481
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:12,290
on sale on Amazon Bluff to have a look

1482
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:15,420
so Jason you know you're filling

1483
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:18,330
yourself you you Bluff mentioned this

1484
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:20,040
future publication that you bring it out

1485
01:14:22,820 --> 01:14:21,390
some point next year do you want to give

1486
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:22,830
us a little bit of our lights about that

1487
01:14:30,380 --> 01:14:25,860
or do we have to yeah well I can't

1488
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:30,390
because I can't tell you anything - grip

1489
01:14:38,150 --> 01:14:33,510
today yeah and I managed to download it

1490
01:14:41,780 --> 01:14:38,160
and save it and I was speaking to a

1491
01:14:45,260 --> 01:14:41,790
colleague in in Germany who runs his own

1492
01:14:48,260 --> 01:14:45,270
publisher he's God it's complete God

1493
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:48,270
named verlag probably I'm pronounced

1494
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:50,220
incorrectly but they're just about to

1495
01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:53,250
publish Jason's first book you may file

1496
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:56,340
photos in German and the early part of

1497
01:15:01,700 --> 01:14:59,250
next year and I just said I've I've got

1498
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,710
some books that were planning for next

1499
01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:04,080
year and Jason's it literally just

1500
01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:05,940
tonight I'm talking minutes beforehand

1501
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:08,670
yeah and he just says I love a mall flip

1502
01:15:14,260 --> 01:15:11,910
so both of Jason's books at some point

1503
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:14,270
will be published in German as well so

1504
01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:17,010
I'll let Jason tell you about the next

1505
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:19,260
one this is sort of follow-up to UFO

1506
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:21,570
photos because III have a chance to read

1507
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:27,210
it yet yeah this at the minute it's as

1508
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,540
it is it's called the the UF ology

1509
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:33,840
umbrella I'm not right and that's the

1510
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:38,550
way I see your fault the G is a huge

1511
01:15:44,210 --> 01:15:41,010
umbrella really the word UF ology

1512
01:15:46,340 --> 01:15:44,220
because it's it's if you've got a huge

1513
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,350
umbrella of yourself and everything

1514
01:15:52,190 --> 01:15:49,440
cascades off that mean all the different

1515
01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:52,200
categories of the end within UF ology

1516
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:54,600
itself so that's where they

1517
01:16:02,240 --> 01:15:57,600
when I broke into the different close

1518
01:16:05,620 --> 01:16:02,250
encounters so you you talking 1 2 7 2

1519
01:16:09,230 --> 01:16:05,630
I break down the the Close Encounters

1520
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:09,240
into segments and then explain them to

1521
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:14,730
people and and then try to put cases in

1522
01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:17,430
there and through the help of Philippe's

1523
01:16:26,690 --> 01:16:22,920
each help me with cases as well really

1524
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:26,700
trying to pigeonhole them into what they

1525
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:30,840
are you know c1 c2 yeah right the way

1526
01:16:36,140 --> 01:16:34,290
through and it you know it's surprising

1527
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:36,150
the amount of cases that you can

1528
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:39,330
actually bring up you know but then I've

1529
01:16:47,210 --> 01:16:43,440
also tried to go deeper into well you

1530
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:47,220
know how do people how if ETS are

1531
01:16:52,250 --> 01:16:49,770
actually visiting our planet how would

1532
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:52,260
they get here and how the methods are

1533
01:16:57,770 --> 01:16:54,930
travel they would use and you know

1534
01:17:01,100 --> 01:16:57,780
hyperspace travel interdimensional

1535
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:01,110
travel I try to explain antimatter

1536
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:03,810
matter you know and try to go down that

1537
01:17:11,150 --> 01:17:06,960
road of my interpretation of course but

1538
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:11,160
try to explain really just open it up to

1539
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:16,530
what people it's not just you know when

1540
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:18,690
people see crafts they're not just nuts

1541
01:17:26,230 --> 01:17:22,980
and bolts crafts you know people in you

1542
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:26,240
flg nowadays were talking more towards

1543
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:30,450
interdimensional crafts you know people

1544
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:34,530
see discs and triangle shaped craft like

1545
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:37,170
we've explained before but people are

1546
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:39,570
seeing orb see people are seeing you

1547
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:43,800
know illuminated crafts in different

1548
01:17:48,230 --> 01:17:45,960
shapes of forms and when they morph

1549
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:48,240
together there's and there's a question

1550
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:51,000
Friday I was asked this and I didn't

1551
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:52,800
really have an answer for it is why do

1552
01:18:00,380 --> 01:17:57,090
UFOs need lights on them yeah well

1553
01:18:04,100 --> 01:18:00,390
aircraft have lights on them as in

1554
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:04,110
civilian and military so you can see

1555
01:18:08,179 --> 01:18:06,090
them that's the whole point of them

1556
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:08,189
having their strobe lights and

1557
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:10,530
it's to make invisible if they're not

1558
01:18:16,549 --> 01:18:14,159
there to to the aircraft pilot to see

1559
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:16,559
where he's going that therefore all the

1560
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:20,880
people another everybody else to see the

1561
01:18:26,540 --> 01:18:24,840
aircraft in the sky so yeah I wonder if

1562
01:18:31,370 --> 01:18:26,550
I sell that's one of the questions I

1563
01:18:33,409 --> 01:18:31,380
have thought why do UFOs are such why do

1564
01:18:36,290 --> 01:18:33,419
they have lights on them whether it's

1565
01:18:39,229 --> 01:18:36,300
the propulsion systems on them we don't

1566
01:18:42,109 --> 01:18:39,239
know the type of propulsion anti-gravity

1567
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,119
etc that they use in is it producing

1568
01:18:48,109 --> 01:18:44,400
lights different colored lights

1569
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:48,119
underneath is it it could be anything

1570
01:18:52,969 --> 01:18:50,340
couldn't it what do you reckon it's when

1571
01:19:02,779 --> 01:18:52,979
they have lights on one UFOs why

1572
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:02,789
shouldn't they be honest we say it's not

1573
01:19:06,669 --> 01:19:04,169
something I've ever actually thought

1574
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:06,679
about to be quite honest with you and

1575
01:19:12,770 --> 01:19:10,169
what well if they're not some balls

1576
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:12,780
craft and the outcome if from let's call

1577
01:19:15,979 --> 01:19:14,280
it Planet Zog for the sake of an

1578
01:19:17,719 --> 01:19:15,989
argument let's say the coming from

1579
01:19:19,759 --> 01:19:17,729
Planet Zog and the flying around the

1580
01:19:21,020 --> 01:19:19,769
skies there and there are not some bolts

1581
01:19:23,449 --> 01:19:21,030
craft then they need some kind of

1582
01:19:25,759 --> 01:19:23,459
identification system on them even if

1583
01:19:29,089 --> 01:19:25,769
they you know the may not have a radar

1584
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:29,099
system which can bounce every you know

1585
01:19:32,839 --> 01:19:30,449
the reflections about Journal of the

1586
01:19:34,759 --> 01:19:32,849
radar system to show where that craft is

1587
01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:34,769
so that could be another reason that the

1588
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:45,510
curl of lights on it is an interesting

1589
01:19:51,469 --> 01:19:47,130
thought blow into it really why do they

1590
01:19:54,859 --> 01:19:51,479
have lights on the city they want to be

1591
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:54,869
seen that's another answer yeah why not

1592
01:20:04,370 --> 01:19:59,760
you know absolutely so Jason where do

1593
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,380
you where do you see yourself and ready

1594
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,199
see your position in in ufology then in

1595
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:10,320
in investigating things and you know is

1596
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,010
you just

1597
01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:14,560
for the sake of a words a personal sits

1598
01:20:18,570 --> 01:20:17,230
in front of a computer analyzes images

1599
01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:18,580
or do you get up you go up and do

1600
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:20,860
investigations do you talk to people

1601
01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:23,530
face to face or is there something else

1602
01:20:30,710 --> 01:20:27,070
that you are you have in mind I can see

1603
01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:30,720
myself continuing doing what I do now

1604
01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:33,430
really for the fact that I enjoy doing

1605
01:20:40,410 --> 01:20:37,630
what I do I'm also finding questions out

1606
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:40,420
daily I'm also looking more for

1607
01:20:44,190 --> 01:20:41,770
questions because there's other things

1608
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:44,200
that have happened to me that I haven't

1609
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:46,690
sort of brought out yet

1610
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:51,910
really I'm supposed to be at some point

1611
01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:54,670
getting in touch with Mary Mary Rodwell

1612
01:21:03,540 --> 01:20:57,000
- yeah

1613
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:03,550
have some sort of what's the word yes

1614
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:05,710
sort of thing yeah you know where she

1615
01:21:11,310 --> 01:21:08,310
goes hypnotists type of thing you know

1616
01:21:13,950 --> 01:21:11,320
regression because there's things I'd

1617
01:21:16,050 --> 01:21:13,960
like to know still know that's quite

1618
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:16,060
interesting because I don't I mean

1619
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:17,710
obviously you had a great chance earlier

1620
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:19,450
this year to cook like in September to

1621
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:21,610
come and meet Mary and I'd say tying a

1622
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,250
deer conference you know yeah and I

1623
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:26,080
don't know if you're aware but out of

1624
01:21:31,530 --> 01:21:29,170
that Sunday after the the oil M

1625
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:31,540
conference this year with Mary did a

1626
01:21:37,860 --> 01:21:34,960
workshop for air for people who have

1627
01:21:43,050 --> 01:21:37,870
experienced or extremely close encounter

1628
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:43,060
with our visitors and out of that there

1629
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:45,310
is a group which has been set up on

1630
01:21:51,690 --> 01:21:48,970
their face book called concern which is

1631
01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:51,700
contactees close encounter Resource

1632
01:21:56,250 --> 01:21:54,520
Network which is actually a group so if

1633
01:21:57,930 --> 01:21:56,260
you're interested in that Jason I come

1634
01:22:00,510 --> 01:21:57,940
and put you on that if you want to go

1635
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:00,520
onto that and there is I never are you

1636
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:02,590
indeed I didn't know yeah there you go

1637
01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:05,380
yeah there you go yeah I mean I've I've

1638
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:08,830
actually undergone hypnosis not for

1639
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:11,650
anything like this because when I was

1640
01:22:17,670 --> 01:22:14,290
with being father they had a moratorium

1641
01:22:21,450 --> 01:22:17,680
on regressive hypnosis who didn't use it

1642
01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:21,460
and I I sat in as an observer on a

1643
01:22:24,090 --> 01:22:23,260
couple of sessions with two different

1644
01:22:25,909 --> 01:22:24,100
people

1645
01:22:27,949 --> 01:22:25,919
we've got entirely

1646
01:22:31,729 --> 01:22:27,959
different results that I thought they

1647
01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:31,739
would sir Oh a few years black eye I am

1648
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:36,289
trouble sleeping and I found a local

1649
01:22:43,029 --> 01:22:38,729
hypnotherapist who was highly

1650
01:22:46,669 --> 01:22:43,039
recommended and you know and I underwent

1651
01:22:48,799 --> 01:22:46,679
hypnosis with with this gentleman and I

1652
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,809
was a bit skeptical to be honest you

1653
01:22:54,529 --> 01:22:50,639
know I thought I'd help since it's

1654
01:22:56,060 --> 01:22:54,539
rubbish but he does work and I'm not

1655
01:22:58,279 --> 01:22:56,070
saying you can community aggressed or

1656
01:22:59,600 --> 01:22:58,289
anything like that all I'm saying is I'm

1657
01:23:01,370 --> 01:22:59,610
slightly neater I'm chair

1658
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:01,380
we should electronic one and I'm wired

1659
01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:04,380
up and I've got headphones on so you

1660
01:23:08,839 --> 01:23:06,360
know what I can speak to him and you

1661
01:23:10,850 --> 01:23:08,849
position the armchair yourself so you're

1662
01:23:12,589 --> 01:23:10,860
laid back and you're comfortable and by

1663
01:23:14,449 --> 01:23:12,599
the time he'd finished I felt like I was

1664
01:23:17,659 --> 01:23:14,459
floating couldn't feel the armchair

1665
01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:17,669
underneath me at all yeah I knew it was

1666
01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:21,630
there I couldn't feel it and what is

1667
01:23:29,299 --> 01:23:25,590
interesting this is not talk but I have

1668
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:29,309
recently published the book by Calvin

1669
01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:32,820
Parker the experience and Pascagoula and

1670
01:23:37,699 --> 01:23:35,550
he talks about me had the encounter he

1671
01:23:39,109 --> 01:23:37,709
believes it was lying when he sitting on

1672
01:23:42,919 --> 01:23:39,119
board this thing it was lying on some

1673
01:23:44,659 --> 01:23:42,929
kind of bread but he couldn't feel it it

1674
01:23:47,589 --> 01:23:44,669
couldn't see he couldn't see it either

1675
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:47,599
cause he it was it was frozen solid and

1676
01:23:51,859 --> 01:23:50,610
just after that if that's the same kind

1677
01:23:53,359 --> 01:23:51,869
of thing that we were talking about

1678
01:23:55,729 --> 01:23:53,369
because when I was laying on this couch

1679
01:23:58,540 --> 01:23:55,739
I could not feel it also was under

1680
01:24:02,770 --> 01:23:58,550
hypnosis and it did help me sleep so

1681
01:24:05,689 --> 01:24:02,780
there you go but it was also interesting

1682
01:24:07,429 --> 01:24:05,699
just from a research point of view you

1683
01:24:10,219 --> 01:24:07,439
know if some listed of you ever been on

1684
01:24:12,919 --> 01:24:10,229
the hippos and I can say yes I have and

1685
01:24:16,339 --> 01:24:12,929
know what it feels like so I found it

1686
01:24:18,409 --> 01:24:16,349
fascinating I wasn't running around like

1687
01:24:22,540 --> 01:24:18,419
a chicken tunnel a square got anything

1688
01:24:29,839 --> 01:24:25,689
sorry to interrupt gentlemen sorry I

1689
01:24:32,569 --> 01:24:29,849
really want to do it nor the fact I mean

1690
01:24:35,419 --> 01:24:32,579
there's one one instance with like I

1691
01:24:38,209 --> 01:24:35,429
said I've not actually said upset people

1692
01:24:42,020 --> 01:24:38,219
close to me in things like that but

1693
01:24:46,189 --> 01:24:42,030
I was involved in Desert Storm with the

1694
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:46,199
RAF in Iraq when I came back long story

1695
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:50,729
short I had a bad time of it and in my

1696
01:24:58,729 --> 01:24:54,690
house at the time I saw a small gray in

1697
01:25:02,359 --> 01:24:58,739
my house so there's it's there's a lot

1698
01:25:04,580 --> 01:25:02,369
more coming out and things like that so

1699
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:04,590
you know they're the sort of things I

1700
01:25:11,239 --> 01:25:08,010
need answers to myself really and and it

1701
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:11,249
goes back again to dig in and look in

1702
01:25:16,009 --> 01:25:13,650
you know for the answers that the

1703
01:25:20,089 --> 01:25:16,019
Richard Dreyfus syndrome as I said

1704
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:20,099
before yeah so yeah absolutely

1705
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:21,960
regarding the Richard Dreyfus syndrome

1706
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:23,489
when he was looking for your answers and

1707
01:25:27,140 --> 01:25:25,409
so on I bet your mom's glad you didn't

1708
01:25:45,739 --> 01:25:27,150
start building what mounds in the middle

1709
01:25:49,129 --> 01:25:45,749
Ephraim now I do know you you've

1710
01:25:52,609 --> 01:25:49,139
actually looked at the M the football

1711
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:52,619
shaped UFO from from Russia was it air

1712
01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:55,050
the Voronezh incident the soviet union

1713
01:25:59,419 --> 01:25:57,630
city of Voronezh what was your outcome

1714
01:26:02,839 --> 01:25:59,429
without what deal what was your air

1715
01:26:06,049 --> 01:26:02,849
well.she findings with that Jason that

1716
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:06,059
came again from Philip and it's gonna

1717
01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:11,070
get his Undine answer yeah yeah what

1718
01:26:14,569 --> 01:26:13,289
happened Chris I mean when when foreign

1719
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,579
has happened

1720
01:26:20,330 --> 01:26:17,280
in the late 80s it was actually released

1721
01:26:22,339 --> 01:26:20,340
by the Soviet news agency Tass yeah and

1722
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,349
they said this year I thought I'd landed

1723
01:26:27,140 --> 01:26:24,960
and these very tall creatures have been

1724
01:26:29,569 --> 01:26:27,150
seen in an association with it and it

1725
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:29,579
you know witnessed by schoolchildren and

1726
01:26:34,669 --> 01:26:31,530
all kinds of people and it it left

1727
01:26:36,799 --> 01:26:34,679
traces on the ground although that

1728
01:26:39,259 --> 01:26:36,809
incident wasn't photographed there was a

1729
01:26:43,580 --> 01:26:39,269
photograph taken over the the town of

1730
01:26:46,879 --> 01:26:43,590
Voronezh in daylight and quite rapidly

1731
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,889
there was a UFO group set up I can't

1732
01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:48,239
remember the names of the gentlemen

1733
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:51,230
forces back dozen of them and

1734
01:26:57,850 --> 01:26:54,530
so now I was interviewed by a Russian

1735
01:27:01,330 --> 01:26:57,860
newspaper called it's dead steer yeah

1736
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:01,340
and oh I could tell him was wide that

1737
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:04,330
read anywhere else anyway you know they

1738
01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:07,120
published it and they put Philip mantel

1739
01:27:12,460 --> 01:27:10,310
UFOs nice and had been badly West

1740
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:12,470
Yorkshire England I mean I got letters

1741
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:14,810
and he literally said Philip mantle UFOs

1742
01:27:19,540 --> 01:27:17,450
badly England and they came from Russia

1743
01:27:20,740 --> 01:27:19,550
and these guys got in touch with us and

1744
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,750
at some point they sent me this

1745
01:27:25,090 --> 01:27:22,239
black-and-white photograph

1746
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:25,100
strange-looking object all with a gel

1747
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:27,050
and it been sat in my files for years

1748
01:27:32,050 --> 01:27:30,290
you know now I wanna when I met Jason I

1749
01:27:35,470 --> 01:27:32,060
asked him if he could have a look at it

1750
01:27:39,190 --> 01:27:35,480
and he did you can I see him what he

1751
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:39,200
made of it yeah well you sent it to me

1752
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:40,870
but you didn't give you any information

1753
01:27:56,500 --> 01:27:51,220
and I went through the the same process

1754
01:28:00,810 --> 01:27:56,510
as I always do there was slight bit of

1755
01:28:05,950 --> 01:28:00,820
information but not the overall picture

1756
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:05,960
and long long story short I I came up

1757
01:28:15,310 --> 01:28:10,880
with roughly the same analysis results

1758
01:28:18,430 --> 01:28:15,320
as was done back in the 80s vibe by

1759
01:28:22,570 --> 01:28:18,440
people at the time who conducted their

1760
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:22,580
own analyze my clam sauce or watch yeah

1761
01:28:26,350 --> 01:28:24,170
and that was a chap called William

1762
01:28:31,090 --> 01:28:26,360
Spalding and they were sort of pioneers

1763
01:28:34,180 --> 01:28:31,100
in using computers for analyzing

1764
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:34,190
photographs now at that point gram sauce

1765
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:35,690
watch it closed they're not known

1766
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:38,810
involved you know I'd sling contact with

1767
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:43,730
them so sent him the photograph and you

1768
01:28:48,670 --> 01:28:45,650
know they analyzed it and it came out

1769
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:48,680
was just you know what identified and I

1770
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:50,510
thought I'll do it it was kind of a

1771
01:28:54,940 --> 01:28:52,730
blind test for Jason I didn't you know I

1772
01:28:55,870 --> 01:28:54,950
wanted to know that we're not it tested

1773
01:28:59,140 --> 01:28:55,880
in the eighties

1774
01:29:02,500 --> 01:28:59,150
using the technology of the time so here

1775
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:02,510
we are you know 20 plus years later with

1776
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:05,150
Jason them the latest computer software

1777
01:29:09,550 --> 01:29:07,730
I just thought if he analyzed yeah I'm

1778
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,560
hold of what the results would be will

1779
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:10,960
be the same or

1780
01:29:19,060 --> 01:29:13,520
pretty much the same what the Jason yeah

1781
01:29:21,010 --> 01:29:19,070
yeah anywhere and it was when you

1782
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:21,020
actually go into the actual object

1783
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:23,510
itself you know you could tell it was

1784
01:29:29,050 --> 01:29:27,050
very cool in shape obviously but with

1785
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:29,060
with obviously the markings that wrapped

1786
01:29:35,050 --> 01:29:31,670
around its entirety and things like that

1787
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:35,060
you know things really stood out and

1788
01:29:39,550 --> 01:29:37,610
then when I actually gave my findings

1789
01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:39,560
back to you you did actually send me all

1790
01:29:45,010 --> 01:29:42,710
the other information and it was quite

1791
01:29:47,980 --> 01:29:45,020
amazing to read over and I thought well

1792
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:47,990
yeah sort of where I I came up with that

1793
01:29:54,340 --> 01:29:50,480
I went a different way about it but I

1794
01:29:56,230 --> 01:29:54,350
came to the same conclusion and so yeah

1795
01:29:58,660 --> 01:29:56,240
it was it was interesting it was

1796
01:30:02,080 --> 01:29:58,670
interesting have you have you lots at

1797
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:02,090
the the Moonville photographs from the

1798
01:30:07,420 --> 01:30:04,850
fifties take my pulse rate have you cast

1799
01:30:09,460 --> 01:30:07,430
your eye on with them at all Jason yeah

1800
01:30:14,290 --> 01:30:09,470
we did those in the book didn't we do

1801
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:14,300
yes yeah I went in because really it was

1802
01:30:21,010 --> 01:30:18,850
another case that was so looked into by

1803
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:21,020
virtually everyone who's been down that

1804
01:30:28,990 --> 01:30:24,080
road of of looking in so I wanted to get

1805
01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:29,000
my own grasp of it and when they

1806
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:31,310
analyzed the photograph and enhanced

1807
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:33,410
that one and brought it because it looks

1808
01:30:39,790 --> 01:30:37,040
like a disc-shaped Sidon when you look

1809
01:30:43,980 --> 01:30:39,800
at it there is it silhouette in the sky

1810
01:30:47,410 --> 01:30:43,990
but the detail that came out on on the

1811
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:47,420
shape of it looked like two sets of

1812
01:30:57,550 --> 01:30:52,970
wings so that sort of goes back to when

1813
01:31:00,370 --> 01:30:57,560
I did the site in analysis of the the

1814
01:31:04,230 --> 01:31:00,380
Brazilian airline pilot in Wiltshire do

1815
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:04,240
you remember that one I did yes yeah and

1816
01:31:10,150 --> 01:31:07,120
that one when you look at the original

1817
01:31:12,820 --> 01:31:10,160
photographs they're they look like two

1818
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:12,830
disc shaped objects that were sight you

1819
01:31:18,910 --> 01:31:17,090
know in the sky same altitude etc but

1820
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:18,920
when I went into those they

1821
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:21,910
they were obviously military aircraft

1822
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:25,520
this one I went into other cases from

1823
01:31:34,750 --> 01:31:29,440
the same time era and came up with

1824
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:34,760
another sighting of a jet a jet type

1825
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:38,930
like of image object at the scene and

1826
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:41,840
when actually overlaid them the wings

1827
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:45,530
were in the same position which again

1828
01:31:52,030 --> 01:31:47,690
will little alarm bells to sort of say

1829
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,040
well is it really a disc shape object or

1830
01:31:57,070 --> 01:31:54,800
is it an object that looks disc in shape

1831
01:31:59,500 --> 01:31:57,080
but it's flying away from you so it

1832
01:32:00,250 --> 01:31:59,510
gives the impression and then there were

1833
01:32:03,630 --> 01:32:00,260
two

1834
01:32:06,730 --> 01:32:03,640
they look like heat exhausts on the rear

1835
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:06,740
so again that comes back to military

1836
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:10,370
aircraft the reason I asked because the

1837
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:14,000
the the interest in this photograph as

1838
01:32:19,300 --> 01:32:16,280
resurfaced or photographs that were too

1839
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:19,310
taken and of course the skeptics claim

1840
01:32:25,690 --> 01:32:21,440
that what we're actually looking at is a

1841
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:25,700
hoax and that the the object the UFO is

1842
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:29,090
the wing mirror off of Paul Trent's trip

1843
01:32:35,620 --> 01:32:33,050
yeah and because there is a photograph I

1844
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:35,630
believe of Portland stood somewhere next

1845
01:32:39,190 --> 01:32:37,730
to his truck or something like that yeah

1846
01:32:42,250 --> 01:32:39,200
and I claim it's the wing mirror and

1847
01:32:44,050 --> 01:32:42,260
it's because the desert and electrical

1848
01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:44,060
cable goals are crossing part of it

1849
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:45,710
they're only it's just you know hanging

1850
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:48,320
from from there what do you make of that

1851
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:53,050
I did analyze the the wing mirror of a

1852
01:32:58,480 --> 01:32:56,810
truck from the same time period but you

1853
01:33:01,390 --> 01:32:58,490
can see all this in the book they're all

1854
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:01,400
they're the images for you to see and

1855
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:07,030
try to overlay again it did look similar

1856
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:09,890
the actual photographs I think there

1857
01:33:16,180 --> 01:33:12,530
were two photographs of the actual disc

1858
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:16,190
taken from distance and people that said

1859
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:18,650
that you were hanging from telegraph

1860
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:21,290
wires that were going across you can see

1861
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:23,930
in the photograph yeah we managed to

1862
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:27,050
sort of eliminate that I overlaid the

1863
01:33:32,740 --> 01:33:29,690
two separate photographs again and you

1864
01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:32,750
can see the object and the reason I do

1865
01:33:40,150 --> 01:33:35,680
do that with a lot of photographs

1866
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:40,160
overlay similar photographs of taking of

1867
01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:43,760
the same object is you can prove that

1868
01:33:52,060 --> 01:33:47,840
the object is moved now whether that's

1869
01:33:57,070 --> 01:33:52,070
further away closer altitude etc but it

1870
01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:57,080
also you can use the surrounding objects

1871
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:02,000
to help with the location identification

1872
01:34:07,390 --> 01:34:04,490
of the object itself because you can use

1873
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:07,400
trees buildings right you can build a

1874
01:34:11,710 --> 01:34:09,410
bit of perspective with a guy yeah yeah

1875
01:34:14,350 --> 01:34:11,720
and it it's good because you can prove

1876
01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:14,360
that that object is moved anyway so that

1877
01:34:19,710 --> 01:34:17,000
balance or cancels that one out and they

1878
01:34:25,180 --> 01:34:19,720
did the same that the Trent photographs

1879
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:25,190
so again all the old I really do like

1880
01:34:31,480 --> 01:34:27,410
the old photographs because it's pre

1881
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:31,490
digital so it's harder to fake I know

1882
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:34,880
people use panes of glass to put images

1883
01:34:42,250 --> 01:34:38,090
on and take photographs that's really

1884
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:42,260
difficult to prove and what I found it

1885
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:46,130
fascinating the Trent case yeah it's

1886
01:34:51,130 --> 01:34:47,330
interesting you should mention that

1887
01:34:54,820 --> 01:34:51,140
about glass wick we had a series of four

1888
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:54,830
photographs from Barnsley in the late

1889
01:34:59,620 --> 01:34:57,920
80s and it's BC that the disc flying

1890
01:35:02,230 --> 01:34:59,630
across the rooftops opposite and he's

1891
01:35:05,670 --> 01:35:02,240
taking it through his bedroom window see

1892
01:35:10,300 --> 01:35:05,680
that now they appeared in the Barnsley

1893
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:10,310
Chronicle and you know I'm actually

1894
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:12,290
getting touch with it with the with the

1895
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:16,970
job and an interview him and his story

1896
01:35:20,590 --> 01:35:18,410
changed of it orbit and I got the

1897
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:20,600
original negatives and the original

1898
01:35:28,930 --> 01:35:23,920
prints and when you when you laid the

1899
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:28,940
the prints you know on and your desk in

1900
01:35:31,740 --> 01:35:29,570
front of you

1901
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:31,750
it didn't go from left to right

1902
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:33,920
continuously when you compare it to the

1903
01:35:38,230 --> 01:35:36,170
negatively so I went forward forward and

1904
01:35:40,330 --> 01:35:38,240
sort and it backwards again not

1905
01:35:43,300 --> 01:35:40,340
something not right here cutting a long

1906
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:43,310
story short we have the photographs

1907
01:35:49,689 --> 01:35:46,639
again analyzed by

1908
01:35:53,139 --> 01:35:49,699
I'm salsa watch and and it was actually

1909
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:53,149
stuck on his bedroom window it was a

1910
01:36:00,040 --> 01:35:56,570
piece of transparent material where the

1911
01:36:01,989 --> 01:36:00,050
UFO was drawn on it and then stuck on

1912
01:36:04,029 --> 01:36:01,999
his bedroom window then he took the

1913
01:36:06,250 --> 01:36:04,039
photographs and with the end of the

1914
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:06,260
computer you can see the edges of there

1915
01:36:11,319 --> 01:36:09,409
the plastic or whatever he'd used stuck

1916
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,329
on the window he couldn't see that no

1917
01:36:15,060 --> 01:36:12,800
matter how much you went largely I've

1918
01:36:17,879 --> 01:36:15,070
got some big eight-by-tens you know

1919
01:36:20,889 --> 01:36:17,889
enlargements from the original negatives

1920
01:36:22,750 --> 01:36:20,899
and you can't see anything but the

1921
01:36:25,330 --> 01:36:22,760
computed if this'll make you laugh it

1922
01:36:27,819 --> 01:36:25,340
there the photographs appeared in The

1923
01:36:32,020 --> 01:36:27,829
Daily Star he sold them to the staff

1924
01:36:33,939 --> 01:36:32,030
would have on a nice fee and then I went

1925
01:36:38,290 --> 01:36:33,949
back to the dalish downs I'm sorry is

1926
01:36:41,219 --> 01:36:38,300
she faking and even one of the cartoon

1927
01:36:43,419 --> 01:36:41,229
was faking and it was a gentleman

1928
01:36:46,089 --> 01:36:43,429
compete and I won't mention his surname

1929
01:36:47,409 --> 01:36:46,099
and he left a message on my answering

1930
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:47,419
machine

1931
01:36:51,609 --> 01:36:49,610
I can't repeat it to this day I think

1932
01:36:54,370 --> 01:36:51,619
was gonna cut my arms and legs off or

1933
01:36:56,620 --> 01:36:54,380
something like that you know but it was

1934
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:56,630
amazing you know what what the computer

1935
01:37:01,569 --> 01:36:59,119
could do but as you were saying you know

1936
01:37:04,359 --> 01:37:01,579
their ways of faking fail to grasp we

1937
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,369
did you for days were much less

1938
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:06,320
sophisticated and not not not

1939
01:37:13,060 --> 01:37:10,030
necessarily as easy to do as today and

1940
01:37:15,100 --> 01:37:13,070
most of the photographs we got through

1941
01:37:18,639 --> 01:37:15,110
that came through our you know across my

1942
01:37:20,859 --> 01:37:18,649
desk world of you know aircraft birds

1943
01:37:24,489 --> 01:37:20,869
and so on

1944
01:37:26,919 --> 01:37:24,499
very few hoaxes like that that I was

1945
01:37:28,959 --> 01:37:26,929
aware of there was that of us as a

1946
01:37:31,979 --> 01:37:28,969
couple that we mentioned but most were

1947
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:31,989
just you know everyday things perhaps

1948
01:37:36,810 --> 01:37:34,729
taking it you know that contrail with

1949
01:37:40,899 --> 01:37:36,820
the Sun behind it and things like that

1950
01:37:43,839 --> 01:37:40,909
and of course birds you know still birds

1951
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:43,849
but a couple pretty but yeah it was an

1952
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,880
interesting story was was the band's the

1953
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:49,280
photographs it had a very well-known

1954
01:37:55,330 --> 01:37:53,360
that UFO researcher stroke author in the

1955
01:37:57,159 --> 01:37:55,340
UK I'm not gonna mention his name well I

1956
01:37:59,199 --> 01:37:57,169
have a lesson on fly well he completely

1957
01:38:00,510 --> 01:37:59,209
believed it did dull research just

1958
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:00,520
looked at a photograph she

1959
01:38:07,050 --> 01:38:02,560
they're genuine and that's it you know

1960
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:07,060
but I'm afraid it's it's you know we've

1961
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:09,850
got and like you say Jason

1962
01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:14,560
it's nice still get that buzz yeah you

1963
01:38:19,860 --> 01:38:16,060
get to the bottom of it one way or

1964
01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:19,870
another you know please yeah yeah yeah

1965
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:22,450
and sometimes you get a rational

1966
01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:25,750
explanation or a fake but then every now

1967
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:28,120
and again you get a little Jim I've seen

1968
01:38:35,370 --> 01:38:28,980
that

1969
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:35,380
Argentine pilots yeah it is it is very

1970
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:38,230
intriguing I've never heard of it until

1971
01:38:44,370 --> 01:38:41,110
until until your book now and I would

1972
01:38:46,380 --> 01:38:44,380
advise people go on you up your ax your

1973
01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:46,390
YouTube channel and take a look at it it

1974
01:38:52,890 --> 01:38:49,480
is it is fascinating it really is there

1975
01:38:56,190 --> 01:38:52,900
is a case that I actually was going to

1976
01:38:59,730 --> 01:38:56,200
put in the book and again it's an old

1977
01:39:02,760 --> 01:38:59,740
photograph from I think it was a father

1978
01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:02,770
and son I can't remember the name of it

1979
01:39:10,890 --> 01:39:08,500
was gern about 1965 ish and it was its

1980
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:10,900
nickname of the vintage Christmas tree

1981
01:39:17,210 --> 01:39:15,130
light decoration UFO and I was actually

1982
01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:17,220
putting it in the book as an original

1983
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:21,490
photograph which I saw a half not half

1984
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:24,970
believe book Authority warrant to go in

1985
01:39:30,210 --> 01:39:27,730
the book when I went through the process

1986
01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:30,220
of analyzing the photographs to bring

1987
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:32,980
them up to put in the book that's when

1988
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:35,290
the anomaly started to appear because

1989
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:39,940
it's pre digital you actual cut lines

1990
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:44,130
around you could see cut lines that were

1991
01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:48,250
enhanced through the I think was the

1992
01:39:54,630 --> 01:39:50,830
inverted first that brought them all so

1993
01:39:57,150 --> 01:39:54,640
I thought oh hello look more deep into

1994
01:40:00,150 --> 01:39:57,160
it the time period and it's a

1995
01:40:03,870 --> 01:40:00,160
multicolored light so it's got I think

1996
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:03,880
it's a rare the green and maybe a blue

1997
01:40:10,110 --> 01:40:06,850
or something light and it looks like a

1998
01:40:12,410 --> 01:40:10,120
UFO on its side and all black sky or

1999
01:40:14,410 --> 01:40:12,420
that's what was said it was a black sky

2000
01:40:16,660 --> 01:40:14,420
again

2001
01:40:20,770 --> 01:40:16,670
Sherlock Holmes got back into it in

2002
01:40:23,050 --> 01:40:20,780
depth analyzed and it found out that it

2003
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:23,060
was actually a Christmas tree decoration

2004
01:40:29,890 --> 01:40:25,489
on top of a Christmas tree

2005
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:29,900
because when I looked into the story it

2006
01:40:36,939 --> 01:40:33,650
was taken on one frame on a roll of film

2007
01:40:40,060 --> 01:40:36,949
and if you actually read the story and

2008
01:40:42,700 --> 01:40:40,070
go deeper into it the next vote graphs

2009
01:40:46,030 --> 01:40:42,710
were of a Christmas tree that were

2010
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:46,040
taking at home anyway so I thought well

2011
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:48,650
what what the day look like so I got the

2012
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:50,270
photograph of the Christmas tree

2013
01:40:55,689 --> 01:40:53,090
directly sat on top where the fairy

2014
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:55,699
should be with this Christmas tree like

2015
01:41:03,090 --> 01:40:59,440
decoration light and so I did the usual

2016
01:41:09,010 --> 01:41:03,100
overlaid put them over and it was

2017
01:41:12,250 --> 01:41:09,020
identical in shape size colors of the

2018
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:12,260
lights and even did a thing so it turned

2019
01:41:22,510 --> 01:41:18,170
into a story of being a UFO to being the

2020
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:22,520
sole UFO case so I thought you it wasn't

2021
01:41:28,020 --> 01:41:25,070
always the unsolved cases that went in

2022
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:28,030
there it was definitely the salt cases

2023
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:31,130
well exactly I mean what I remember

2024
01:41:35,709 --> 01:41:32,570
discussing the book with you a man

2025
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:35,719
wanted to hire a that you know your

2026
01:41:43,169 --> 01:41:38,960
techniques gun not a hundred percent but

2027
01:41:44,350 --> 01:41:43,179
they can pick out you know the fakes the

2028
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:44,360
misidentifications

2029
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:47,110
the birds the satellites whatever and

2030
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:50,960
and show examples of that but I think I

2031
01:41:57,130 --> 01:41:52,730
remember that photograph I'm sure I've

2032
01:42:01,000 --> 01:41:57,140
seen it yeah only it comes out within

2033
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:01,010
the when you get an old UFO book it's

2034
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:04,310
one of the cases that actually there for

2035
01:42:08,830 --> 01:42:07,010
you to read and you and the stuff that's

2036
01:42:14,169 --> 01:42:08,840
what comes out in the case it was a

2037
01:42:16,330 --> 01:42:14,179
father and son they both saw it but if

2038
01:42:18,610 --> 01:42:16,340
you actually go into detail and more

2039
01:42:21,850 --> 01:42:18,620
depth into the case and the background

2040
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:21,860
like we were saying earlier and they

2041
01:42:27,010 --> 01:42:24,320
said oh the the roll of film was

2042
01:42:28,419 --> 01:42:27,020
developed but it was all of Christmas

2043
01:42:30,910 --> 01:42:28,429
tree decoration

2044
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:30,920
and everything like that but there was

2045
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:33,730
one in there of this UFO that they took

2046
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,170
well that's what it was it was just a

2047
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:38,960
bad exposure but it wasn't even the bad

2048
01:42:44,830 --> 01:42:41,330
exposure they've actually caught the

2049
01:42:49,630 --> 01:42:44,840
old-style method of putting an old image

2050
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:49,640
onto another image so I've got other any

2051
01:42:55,390 --> 01:42:52,130
images now that you're currently working

2052
01:42:59,410 --> 01:42:55,400
on these do you think I would it would

2053
01:43:02,200 --> 01:42:59,420
interest you know someone out there yeah

2054
01:43:05,890 --> 01:43:02,210
they're in the new book especially if

2055
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:05,900
you go on my web Facebook page UF only

2056
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:10,130
I'm constantly putting out there more

2057
01:43:16,330 --> 01:43:13,040
and more photographs on a daily basis

2058
01:43:20,350 --> 01:43:16,340
but in the new book there's a great case

2059
01:43:24,580 --> 01:43:20,360
that came by yourself was the Toni Dodd

2060
01:43:27,340 --> 01:43:24,590
case you saw and I've gone into real

2061
01:43:30,729 --> 01:43:27,350
depth in that and done the photographs

2062
01:43:33,870 --> 01:43:30,739
again and the great thing about that

2063
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:33,880
case with Toni Dodd being an

2064
01:43:41,290 --> 01:43:37,730
ex-policeman he went into so much depth

2065
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:41,300
and detail of the case and the sighting

2066
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:45,440
and the location it was made if not made

2067
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:50,719
a lot easier to analyze and get a better

2068
01:43:56,020 --> 01:43:54,050
picture of what actually went on mmm I

2069
01:43:58,840 --> 01:43:56,030
mean for those who are not aware I mean

2070
01:44:01,810 --> 01:43:58,850
sadly Toni's no longer with us

2071
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:01,820
so only lived in grassing ttan in North

2072
01:44:07,060 --> 01:44:03,730
Yorkshire in the oxy dales

2073
01:44:09,220 --> 01:44:07,070
he'd been in the RAF previously but it's

2074
01:44:11,979 --> 01:44:09,230
spent many years as a police officer it

2075
01:44:16,780 --> 01:44:11,989
was a police sergeant and he'd had his

2076
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:16,790
own sighting out on the moors just

2077
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:21,050
outside of Skipton and told him to enter

2078
01:44:26,890 --> 01:44:24,080
to get to the bottom of this and there

2079
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:26,900
was we I was part of the Yorkshire UFO

2080
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:30,650
Society at the time and we had a lot of

2081
01:44:36,459 --> 01:44:33,760
sightings in and around Skipton you know

2082
01:44:38,590 --> 01:44:36,469
sort of the epicenter was Calton Moore

2083
01:44:42,210 --> 01:44:38,600
was just outside of the village of

2084
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:42,220
Galton now Toni taking one felt to grow

2085
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:45,040
the more one night of two lights and he

2086
01:44:51,060 --> 01:44:48,400
was very disappointed with his result so

2087
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:51,070
it went off and spent a lot of money

2088
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:53,650
blind are really good 35 millimeter

2089
01:44:59,240 --> 01:44:56,800
camera some high-speed film and that he

2090
01:45:01,860 --> 01:44:59,250
kept with him at all times

2091
01:45:04,020 --> 01:45:01,870
and on this particularly I can't

2092
01:45:08,340 --> 01:45:04,030
remember the date it was driving from

2093
01:45:11,070 --> 01:45:08,350
grassing ttan to a meeting it was

2094
01:45:12,540 --> 01:45:11,080
actually gonna meet Graham that saw the

2095
01:45:16,380 --> 01:45:12,550
difference your arms which is on your

2096
01:45:19,050 --> 01:45:16,390
way out to Bolton Abbey and on the way

2097
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:19,060
that we had his wife Christine with him

2098
01:45:24,180 --> 01:45:21,280
this saw this thing and it was near a

2099
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:24,190
place called beams Li beacon it's a

2100
01:45:32,370 --> 01:45:28,530
local landmark and it stopped the car

2101
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:32,380
and he gave his wife Pauline the

2102
01:45:37,050 --> 01:45:35,050
binoculars and she's looking out this

2103
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:37,060
thing and she said it was it no it was

2104
01:45:43,290 --> 01:45:40,570
like a the top shaped object Oh covered

2105
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:43,300
in a multitude of red lights that all

2106
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:46,510
glowed in one you know at one time so

2107
01:45:51,090 --> 01:45:48,970
Tony grant was the camera takes two

2108
01:45:52,980 --> 01:45:51,100
photographs then the third one they

2109
01:45:54,510 --> 01:45:52,990
really sort of jammed his elbows on the

2110
01:45:57,390 --> 01:45:54,520
on at the top of the car or whatever

2111
01:45:59,790 --> 01:45:57,400
keep the camera still and clicked it and

2112
01:46:02,220 --> 01:45:59,800
then this this thing whatever it was

2113
01:46:06,150 --> 01:46:02,230
disappeared down behind the hill of

2114
01:46:08,130 --> 01:46:06,160
beans the beacon it's all grain about

2115
01:46:09,810 --> 01:46:08,140
this one he carried on to his meeting

2116
01:46:12,930 --> 01:46:09,820
with him so we had the photographs

2117
01:46:15,180 --> 01:46:12,940
developed first to work with a lot of

2118
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:15,190
camera shake on them but the third one

2119
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:17,110
was was pretty good if you held it very

2120
01:46:23,340 --> 01:46:19,860
very still and we add you know

2121
01:46:25,650 --> 01:46:23,350
enlargements and so on but we can we

2122
01:46:27,870 --> 01:46:25,660
sent it off to William Spaulding at

2123
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:27,880
ground saucer watch and we had to pay

2124
01:46:34,020 --> 01:46:29,920
him a small fee it wasn't it wasn't I

2125
01:46:35,790 --> 01:46:34,030
don't know xx 30 pound at the time and

2126
01:46:40,530 --> 01:46:35,800
they analyzed it for us and the sent

2127
01:46:42,270 --> 01:46:40,540
back the computer analysis etc and you

2128
01:46:44,670 --> 01:46:42,280
know they said it was the first

2129
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:44,680
photograph that they'd ever received at

2130
01:46:51,390 --> 01:46:47,770
that point from Britain that had

2131
01:46:55,580 --> 01:46:51,400
remained that identified in their you

2132
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:58,910
it's a fascinating in incident I mean it

2133
01:47:03,700 --> 01:47:01,440
really is I know the area of being

2134
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:03,710
plastic many times

2135
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:07,050
Tony's undoubtedly you know witnesses

2136
01:47:12,549 --> 01:47:09,210
phenomenon on several occasions

2137
01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:12,559
what close and personal on what as well

2138
01:47:20,359 --> 01:47:16,440
and and these the photograph you're

2139
01:47:24,529 --> 01:47:20,369
talking about is you know assessment to

2140
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:24,539
teach only really and I mean we tried

2141
01:47:31,010 --> 01:47:27,690
many times Jason we but I mean we

2142
01:47:35,029 --> 01:47:31,020
literally camped out on that war for a

2143
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:35,039
whole week in a caravan and always and

2144
01:47:40,279 --> 01:47:37,130
always saw with the clouds

2145
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:40,289
rain clouds but with a lot of fun when a

2146
01:47:45,919 --> 01:47:42,239
lot of people come and report things to

2147
01:47:47,870 --> 01:47:45,929
us but what it did enable us to discover

2148
01:47:49,819 --> 01:47:47,880
is that whatever the phenomenon was in

2149
01:47:51,799 --> 01:47:49,829
and around there it wasn't something

2150
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:51,809
that was only happening recently

2151
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:54,719
it went back decades you know many

2152
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:58,800
decades and yeah I mean like I say I've

2153
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:00,960
just I've just received your manuscript

2154
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:02,730
today so I didn't have the time to look

2155
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:05,250
through it yeah I will certainly have a

2156
01:48:11,660 --> 01:48:08,610
look at that I wish I wish Tony had had

2157
01:48:14,029 --> 01:48:11,670
seen the the results I came up with

2158
01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:14,039
because you'll see pure self in the book

2159
01:48:20,450 --> 01:48:18,840
the the the object is put it in the

2160
01:48:22,850 --> 01:48:20,460
different spectrums right the way

2161
01:48:26,419 --> 01:48:22,860
through and you can see an debauchee

2162
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:26,429
overlaid his photograph with another

2163
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:29,520
photograph of the identical position in

2164
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:32,730
the day time that he took that you sent

2165
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:35,520
me yeah and and everything matches

2166
01:48:40,729 --> 01:48:38,130
everything it's just one of the most

2167
01:48:45,250 --> 01:48:40,739
perfect you have flow cases if you want

2168
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:45,260
to say that because and even down to the

2169
01:48:49,580 --> 01:48:48,719
the original hand-drawn int his wife did

2170
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:49,590
yes

2171
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:52,730
does she watch up she while Tony was

2172
01:48:57,709 --> 01:48:55,770
photographing this she was actually

2173
01:49:02,450 --> 01:48:57,719
watching it and looking at it through

2174
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:02,460
binoculars at the time so she did a

2175
01:49:08,899 --> 01:49:05,329
detailed drawing and I've actually

2176
01:49:09,290 --> 01:49:08,909
overlaid the drawing she did on to the

2177
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:09,300
action

2178
01:49:15,740 --> 01:49:13,050
object I've actually turned the because

2179
01:49:17,660 --> 01:49:15,750
it it's uh it's on its side it looked

2180
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:17,670
like a spinning top as she described

2181
01:49:24,230 --> 01:49:20,130
like a toy at the children's toys

2182
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:24,240
spinning top which it does I've actually

2183
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:27,330
put it right off so it's horizontal and

2184
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:31,260
then overlaid hair drawer in onto the

2185
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:34,110
real photograph and it's virtually

2186
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:37,050
identical that's amazing because what

2187
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:38,880
grams nurse or what said about it what

2188
01:49:44,230 --> 01:49:41,370
this thing was self-illuminating yeah

2189
01:49:46,850 --> 01:49:44,240
and it was giving off a gas or a vapor

2190
01:49:48,710 --> 01:49:46,860
you know you can see that on the side of

2191
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:48,720
it or something like that

2192
01:49:54,380 --> 01:49:51,840
so it and not only that Jason it did

2193
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:54,390
correspond with a lot of the other

2194
01:49:59,900 --> 01:49:56,400
sightings we had in and around the area

2195
01:50:05,000 --> 01:49:59,910
from from other people and we tried our

2196
01:50:07,340 --> 01:50:05,010
damndest you know tube I mean I wasn't a

2197
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:07,350
bad photographer I got you know a whole

2198
01:50:12,830 --> 01:50:10,530
range of camera gear I never even got a

2199
01:50:17,540 --> 01:50:12,840
chance to photograph anything up there

2200
01:50:20,540 --> 01:50:17,550
yeah but you know it is a fascinating

2201
01:50:24,620 --> 01:50:20,550
case and we haven't got a publication

2202
01:50:26,900 --> 01:50:24,630
date yet for your book next year no you

2203
01:50:28,460 --> 01:50:26,910
know we'll let people know Rio Outer

2204
01:50:32,330 --> 01:50:28,470
Limits magazine when it's going to be

2205
01:50:33,770 --> 01:50:32,340
made available I saw up in fact I'll dig

2206
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:33,780
it out tomorrow now you've told me about

2207
01:50:39,140 --> 01:50:36,810
that because a lot and didn't know what

2208
01:50:42,110 --> 01:50:39,150
was in it but I certainly have a look at

2209
01:50:44,300 --> 01:50:42,120
that to be published that in in Outer

2210
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:44,310
Limits magazine Chris they took that's

2211
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:47,450
only God photographs yes we did it was a

2212
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:49,650
number of issues but now I can't

2213
01:50:54,530 --> 01:50:52,290
remember the exact issue but we did we

2214
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:54,540
looked it will react salmond it but I

2215
01:51:00,770 --> 01:50:56,490
mean obviously that was using the

2216
01:51:03,650 --> 01:51:00,780
original documentation xand and 40g etc

2217
01:51:05,900 --> 01:51:03,660
now if you've done a really a tional

2218
01:51:07,850 --> 01:51:05,910
that we can actually link that in with

2219
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:07,860
their the release of Jason's book and

2220
01:51:11,620 --> 01:51:09,450
we'll get it all put in at the same time

2221
01:51:15,020 --> 01:51:11,630
I'm more than happy to do that for you

2222
01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:15,030
to me that was them that was one of the

2223
01:51:18,500 --> 01:51:16,920
things wanted that Tony was very very

2224
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:18,510
proud of the fact that

2225
01:51:23,390 --> 01:51:21,090
Britten's when explained you were full

2226
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:23,400
of cases yeah as far as Graham sauce

2227
01:51:30,590 --> 01:51:27,450
sauce becomes it was the only one that

2228
01:51:34,630 --> 01:51:30,600
they'd hammer analyzed from the UK that

2229
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:34,640
they at that time registered as

2230
01:51:38,660 --> 01:51:37,170
unidentified so everything else they

2231
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:38,670
dealt with from the UK how to

2232
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:40,770
conventional explanation as far as they

2233
01:51:45,380 --> 01:51:42,810
were concerned please what skeptic they

2234
01:51:46,850 --> 01:51:45,390
were quite open-minded you know they

2235
01:51:49,670 --> 01:51:46,860
weren't afraid to tell you that this is

2236
01:51:51,770 --> 01:51:49,680
a blown or whatever you know but on the

2237
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,780
other hand it weren't afraid to say no

2238
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:54,000
it's unidentified either yeah you know

2239
01:51:57,440 --> 01:51:55,650
they were Plato reminded and not

2240
01:51:59,900 --> 01:51:57,450
although the closed at that point they

2241
01:52:01,760 --> 01:51:59,910
weren't officially involved in it it's

2242
01:52:03,500 --> 01:52:01,770
because we knew them and I think I've

2243
01:52:05,420 --> 01:52:03,510
got responded with them on and off

2244
01:52:07,490 --> 01:52:05,430
through the years that they still had

2245
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:07,500
all the computer equipment and we still

2246
01:52:12,770 --> 01:52:10,890
pay them a small fee and then they did

2247
01:52:15,620 --> 01:52:12,780
it for us and and they did two or three

2248
01:52:18,410 --> 01:52:15,630
things for us that but we already knew

2249
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:18,420
that we could count on Tony's testimony

2250
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:19,920
there was no there was no denying that

2251
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:22,410
but it's always nice to have independent

2252
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,030
verification of what you've been saying

2253
01:52:29,210 --> 01:52:26,880
it was excellent it's a great case to

2254
01:52:32,150 --> 01:52:29,220
work on you know because of the the

2255
01:52:37,010 --> 01:52:32,160
information there for you to

2256
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,020
cross-reference and to make after maps

2257
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,840
detailed maps of the position he was

2258
01:52:44,930 --> 01:52:42,000
standing in to where the position of the

2259
01:52:48,350 --> 01:52:44,940
site in the overlaying of the

2260
01:52:53,540 --> 01:52:48,360
photographs to correspond and I clearly

2261
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:53,550
identify the position as 100% the actual

2262
01:53:02,630 --> 01:52:57,530
hill in the distance and even trees etc

2263
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:02,640
it was a joy to work on this trees in

2264
01:53:06,230 --> 01:53:04,410
the foreground then you've got whatever

2265
01:53:08,420 --> 01:53:06,240
it is and then there's been that being

2266
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:08,430
the beacon in the background so you have

2267
01:53:13,730 --> 01:53:11,010
got got it's all that as far as computer

2268
01:53:15,010 --> 01:53:13,740
analysis is concerned Jason it you've

2269
01:53:19,340 --> 01:53:15,020
got everything you want there earlier

2270
01:53:21,770 --> 01:53:19,350
yeah yeah okay gentlemen as we've got

2271
01:53:24,770 --> 01:53:21,780
around about nine minutes left of severe

2272
01:53:26,150 --> 01:53:24,780
tonight's program and do you want to

2273
01:53:27,369 --> 01:53:26,160
tell us what you're currently working on

2274
01:53:30,969 --> 01:53:27,379
Jason

2275
01:53:36,279 --> 01:53:30,979
yeah well I've just finished the the new

2276
01:53:38,739 --> 01:53:36,289
book the UFO G umbrella weather change

2277
01:53:41,290 --> 01:53:38,749
any boy if I keep old a bit too longer

2278
01:53:43,149 --> 01:53:41,300
keep changing things but I was once yeah

2279
01:53:44,229 --> 01:53:43,159
I was I was actually talking to her

2280
01:53:46,989 --> 01:53:44,239
pulsing Claire

2281
01:53:49,509 --> 01:53:46,999
yeah about they see he gets the problem

2282
01:53:51,159 --> 01:53:49,519
it you're right Caesar chapter then he

2283
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:51,169
goes back and he sits down and reads

2284
01:53:53,889 --> 01:53:52,489
through anything will know that don't

2285
01:53:56,409 --> 01:53:53,899
sound right I'll just put this way

2286
01:53:57,790 --> 01:53:56,419
didn't old I'll alter that word I fell

2287
01:54:01,649 --> 01:53:57,800
you've done it you've rewrote the full

2288
01:54:05,259 --> 01:54:01,659
chapter again well I remember I did I

2289
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:05,269
designed his cover for truth presume

2290
01:54:15,250 --> 01:54:09,679
Thoris yeah yeah we had a lot of emails

2291
01:54:19,259 --> 01:54:15,260
back so if you want to carry on them

2292
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:19,269
what you're working on constantly on my

2293
01:54:25,540 --> 01:54:23,090
UF only page and and videos if something

2294
01:54:28,719 --> 01:54:25,550
catches my eye then it's got my

2295
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:28,729
attention and I'm I'm working on it

2296
01:54:34,209 --> 01:54:32,090
people contacting me as well I think

2297
01:54:37,449 --> 01:54:34,219
I've just done something it could be on

2298
01:54:43,239 --> 01:54:37,459
Netflix soon part of a documentary

2299
01:54:47,739 --> 01:54:43,249
through the SETI ranch right I did a

2300
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:47,749
talk there last year via Skype you know

2301
01:54:56,500 --> 01:54:53,679
a recorded 90-minute talk I think it was

2302
01:54:58,449 --> 01:54:56,510
so yeah and I'm always getting stuff to

2303
01:55:00,399 --> 01:54:58,459
analyze from this so they do in an

2304
01:55:04,049 --> 01:55:00,409
actual documentary and they've asked me

2305
01:55:07,810 --> 01:55:04,059
to do a five or ten minute segment in it

2306
01:55:11,020 --> 01:55:07,820
through Peter Slattery in Australia II

2307
01:55:13,779 --> 01:55:11,030
SETI Australia I do a lot of analyzing

2308
01:55:16,319 --> 01:55:13,789
work for him they'll be also doing part

2309
01:55:18,759 --> 01:55:16,329
of this documentary with him as well

2310
01:55:21,279 --> 01:55:18,769
excellent so there's always something on

2311
01:55:22,750 --> 01:55:21,289
the go always something well that's the

2312
01:55:24,849 --> 01:55:22,760
cat that's the casein sit with these

2313
01:55:26,859 --> 01:55:24,859
subjects that we called UFOs you know

2314
01:55:29,979 --> 01:55:26,869
there is always something new are these

2315
01:55:31,929 --> 01:55:29,989
always sort of thing you know to regal

2316
01:55:34,179 --> 01:55:31,939
for something from the pastures you've

2317
01:55:36,069 --> 01:55:34,189
done plenty sounds with the images so

2318
01:55:37,779 --> 01:55:36,079
what is the next process in in the book

2319
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:37,789
then Philip getting this sort him

2320
01:55:44,740 --> 01:55:43,180
just arrived today so I'll have a quick

2321
01:55:47,140 --> 01:55:44,750
look through it if I don't think

2322
01:55:48,250 --> 01:55:47,150
anything needs editing Bob Jim I'm

2323
01:55:50,500 --> 01:55:48,260
moving around

2324
01:55:55,479 --> 01:55:50,510
I'll just tell Jason and he can do it

2325
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,489
himself but like I said instantly our

2326
01:56:00,070 --> 01:55:57,440
our German colleagues have taken the

2327
01:56:03,070 --> 01:56:00,080
book as well so they're going to publish

2328
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:03,080
Jason's first book UFO photos in the new

2329
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:03,650
year

2330
01:56:08,860 --> 01:56:07,010
so well you know and when the other one

2331
01:56:12,430 --> 01:56:08,870
will get translated I've no idea but

2332
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:12,440
hopefully next year we've done such a

2333
01:56:18,189 --> 01:56:15,679
good deal with them that they are now

2334
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:18,199
employing three translators instead of

2335
01:56:23,919 --> 01:56:22,130
one alright so and he just said I loved

2336
01:56:26,709 --> 01:56:23,929
a lot I told him what we were planning

2337
01:56:31,930 --> 01:56:26,719
for next year for example we've got

2338
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:31,940
Jason's book we have another book from a

2339
01:56:42,370 --> 01:56:35,110
gentleman in Japan dealing with some

2340
01:56:44,620 --> 01:56:42,380
ancient UFO sightings we have one from

2341
01:56:46,990 --> 01:56:44,630
Thiago in Brazil which is like the best

2342
01:56:50,620 --> 01:56:47,000
cases in Brazil that's coming up next

2343
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:50,630
year and a few more just today I've

2344
01:56:56,110 --> 01:56:53,090
published a book another little book

2345
01:57:02,200 --> 01:56:56,120
about Pascagoula is from a Greek

2346
01:57:14,890 --> 01:57:02,210
gentleman cost Stephanus someone else's

2347
01:57:18,010 --> 01:57:14,900
surname Pangea Takas but so so that as

2348
01:57:21,310 --> 01:57:18,020
well and you know so these will be all

2349
01:57:23,919 --> 01:57:21,320
out next year and but a lot more look at

2350
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:23,929
Jace's book came to look at it now he's

2351
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:26,239
told me what's gone in it it sent me one

2352
01:57:31,450 --> 01:57:28,010
before this year which was sort of

2353
01:57:33,870 --> 01:57:31,460
parked on yeah what a complete yeah it's

2354
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:33,880
always a little II downloaded it tonight

2355
01:57:40,750 --> 01:57:38,719
well before speaking to Jason and so

2356
01:57:43,479 --> 01:57:40,760
keen to have a look at that and we'll

2357
01:57:46,479 --> 01:57:43,489
decide between us what I don't what I

2358
01:57:49,479 --> 01:57:46,489
don't want to do in 2019 is to publish

2359
01:57:51,729 --> 01:57:49,489
as many books as I did this year because

2360
01:57:53,890 --> 01:57:51,739
I want to be able to dedicate more time

2361
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:53,900
to each book as it comes out I just

2362
01:57:58,080 --> 01:57:54,650
don't want

2363
01:58:01,330 --> 01:57:58,090
rolling off the production line the next

2364
01:58:02,740 --> 01:58:01,340
next next want to try and you know

2365
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:02,750
concentrate and give some time to

2366
01:58:10,180 --> 01:58:06,010
promote them and make people aware of

2367
01:58:12,340 --> 01:58:10,190
what's available because um you know as

2368
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:12,350
part of my ethos of flying this press

2369
01:58:16,500 --> 01:58:14,330
was to try and make things available

2370
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:16,510
that perhaps haven't been there before

2371
01:58:22,030 --> 01:58:19,760
what was hard to find all was being

2372
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:22,040
published in another language previously

2373
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:25,760
and so I'm still doing that and you know

2374
01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:27,920
Jason just sent me the book and just

2375
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:36,710
said I'm publishing that there you go

2376
01:58:41,260 --> 01:58:38,719
sometime next year but we're not sure

2377
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:41,270
when yeah okay well I'm sure that's

2378
01:58:44,740 --> 01:58:42,770
something I'll be looking forward to it

2379
01:58:47,439 --> 01:58:44,750
for one thing and as I said earlier you

2380
01:58:49,959 --> 01:58:47,449
know em if this magazine can help in any

2381
01:58:51,970 --> 01:58:49,969
way shape or form to probably size this

2382
01:58:54,970 --> 01:58:51,980
then you know please please do please go

2383
01:58:58,240 --> 01:58:54,980
indeed so one way to do gentleman I'm

2384
01:59:01,120 --> 01:58:58,250
going to close the interview there and I

2385
01:59:04,660 --> 01:59:01,130
just like to say on behalf of inside our

2386
01:59:06,490 --> 01:59:04,670
limits myself and Philip mantel your

2387
01:59:09,820 --> 01:59:06,500
Philip will agree with me thank you very

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much Jason Gleaves and we wish you a

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very wealthy future yes thank you Jason